Some in party believe he (Giuliani) can win in California

San Diego Union Tribune ^ | Feb. 11, 2007 | John Marelius

[FairOpinion]

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, still basking in his can-do post-Sept. 11 image, got a rousing welcome yesterday from Republican activists searching for a presidential candidate who can win in California.

No Republican presidential candidate has carried California since the elder George Bush did in 1988, and no one has even run a competitive race in the increasingly Democratic-leaning state since then.

Republicans are hopeful they have prospects in the large 2008 field who can reverse the trend by combining liberal and conservative stands that has proven so successful for Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

“The popularity of the governor shows that you can take the positions that he holds and win in California,” said Duf Sundheim, outgoing Republican state chairman. “I think Giuliani has the same opportunity.”

As for Giuliani, backers say his record on reducing crime and taxes in New York should give conservatives plenty to like. He was introduced to the convention yesterday by businessman Bill Simon, the 2002 Republican nominee for California governor who once worked under Giuliani in the U.S. Attorney's Office in New York.

Simon said that as mayor, Giuliani cut taxes 23 times and reduced the city's murder rate by 67 percent. “That is a record that as a conservative Republican, I can heartily endorse,” he said.

[FairOpinion]

Sorry, a lot of people consider Rudy a "gun grabber".

Gun registration runs counter to the 2nd Amendment. It's not the government's business who has guns. It only becomes their business when a crime is committed.

Rudy backtracked some on his stance, and Hillary is much worse anyway.

[NapkinUser]

Steaming pile (((STOP GIULIANI 2008 PRIMARY PING!)))

Freepmail me to be added of removed from this ping list.

[SmoothTalker]

"Rudy will utterly destroy the beast in NY which would guarantee a GOP victory."

I wouldn't be so quick to assume this.

[FairOpinion]

Trying to pretend that there is no difference between Rudy and Hillary is disingenuous at best.

[FairOpinion]

Ignoring reality doesn't make it go away.

[LukeL]

And her ankles were this big

[Dolphy]

Do we WANT a President who wins California?

A candidate that can't compete in the blue states isn't going to win. The Republicans can't go in with the only hope based on defending the 2004 electoral map and set the Democrats up to zero in on one or two states.

[NapkinUser]

“The popularity of the governor shows that you can take the positions that he holds and win in California,”

Oh that's nice. From what the conservatives on this forum from California have been saying, Schwarzenegger has been a real dud lately.

[jim35]

"Anyone who underestimates Rudy and over estimates... some great white hope..."

You may well be correct, nopardons, but that is no reason to give up on a conservative, or at least non-liberal, candidate. Especially not this early in the race.

Remember how many candidates peaked early, only to lose their appeal when primary season actually started. It's quite common.

Rudy simply has too leftward a slant for most Republicans, but his negatives have simply not been put out into the arena yet.

And, his pro-war stance will not sit well with the lefties, who might otherwise like his social policies. That's a pretty big load coming his way.

So, don't count your chickens, etc.

[FairOpinion]

(((STOP GIULIANI 2008 PRIMARY PING!)))


Why don't you just call your ping list what it is:

"CONSERVATIVES FOR HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT" ping list.

[NYRepublican72]

Yes, Ronald Reagan won California.

A Republican candidate that wins there = landslide and his coat tails = a Republican House.

I'll take a win in CA and everywhere else other than the (hopeless District of Columbia).

[NapkinUser]

"Rudy will utterly destroy the beast in NY which would guarantee a GOP victory."

Oh bull. Giuliani is losing to Clinton in double digits in New York in this worthless early polls.

If Giuliani really believed he could beat Clinton in New York, he'd have tried to take her senate seat in 2006. But he knew he'd lose and ruin his White House dreams.

Giuliani may (or may not with his scandals) be really electable, but he WILL NOT win the state of New York and it's electoral votes.

[Sun]

Gov. Arnold also carried CA, and that did not help the conservative cause one bit.

Rudy also would not help conservatism.

[FairOpinion]

So shows us a conservative Republican candidate who has any chance of beating Hillary.

[FairOpinion]

"Gov. Arnold also carried CA, and that did not help the conservative cause one bit.

Rudy also would not help conservatism."


Back to basics. Please explain how Angelides as governor of CA and Hillary as president of the US would hlep conservatism.

[Plutarch]

It hardly matters. If the Dem candidate is weak enough to put California in play, he or she has already lost more than enough more competitive states to have lost in a landslide.

[BunnySlippers]

"CONSERVATIVES FOR HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT" ping list.

Honesty is not their long suit.

[gov_bean_ counter]

I promise I am not trying to be difficult. Please explain to me how registration is infringing on the right to keep and bear arms.

[Carry_Okie]

The Dems will NOT get withdtrawl of the troops, from Rudy, nor will they get raised taxes, bigger government, more welfare, open admissions to colleges, or a whole host of other things the love.

You have a weak understanding of history. Rudy Giuliani raised spending in NYC 32%, twice the rate of inflation. He ran that town like a police state. He did NOTHING about the welfare state. But don't let facts get in your way, like these:

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue	Giuliani	Clinton	Dem Platform	GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion	Supports Opposed NY ban	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Roe v. Wade	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Defined at state level	Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Openly Gay Military	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Supports bans	Supports
Confiscating Guns	Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged.	Supports	Supports Supports bans	Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban	Supports	Supports	Supports
Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers	Supports Filed One Himself	Supports		Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses	Supports	Supports		Opposes
War in Afghanistan	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports	Supports
War in Iraq	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports Weak support	Supports
Patriot Act	Supports	Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006	Opposes	Supports

"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it. - Rudy Giuliani

[jim35]

["...you are a fan of someone who's career was kept alive by organized crime?"]

Yeah, that's the ticket. Only bad people can be Sinatra fans. Count me in as one of them. I hope you're just kidding, but hey... everyone is entitled to their own peculiar lunacy, as long as it's harmless.