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Some in party believe he (Giuliani) can win in California
San Diego Union Tribune ^ | Feb. 11, 2007 | John Marelius

Posted on 02/11/2007 10:27:49 PM PST by FairOpinion

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, still basking in his can-do post-Sept. 11 image, got a rousing welcome yesterday from Republican activists searching for a presidential candidate who can win in California.

No Republican presidential candidate has carried California since the elder George Bush did in 1988, and no one has even run a competitive race in the increasingly Democratic-leaning state since then.

Republicans are hopeful they have prospects in the large 2008 field who can reverse the trend by combining liberal and conservative stands that has proven so successful for Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

“The popularity of the governor shows that you can take the positions that he holds and win in California,” said Duf Sundheim, outgoing Republican state chairman. “I think Giuliani has the same opportunity.”

As for Giuliani, backers say his record on reducing crime and taxes in New York should give conservatives plenty to like. He was introduced to the convention yesterday by businessman Bill Simon, the 2002 Republican nominee for California governor who once worked under Giuliani in the U.S. Attorney's Office in New York.

Simon said that as mayor, Giuliani cut taxes 23 times and reduced the city's murder rate by 67 percent. “That is a record that as a conservative Republican, I can heartily endorse,” he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at signonsandiego.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2008; bluestateliberal; corrupt; dreamon; electionpresident; elections; giuliani; giuliani2008; gop; johnwayneheaint; mobties; partysplitter; phony; republicans; rudyspam
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Sorry, a lot of people consider Rudy a "gun grabber".

Gun registration runs counter to the 2nd Amendment. It's not the government's business who has guns. It only becomes their business when a crime is committed.

Rudy backtracked some on his stance, and Hillary is much worse anyway.


41 posted on 02/11/2007 10:47:29 PM PST by FairOpinion (Tell Congress: Work for Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Go to: http://www.TheVanguard.org)
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To: FreeInWV; Reagan Man; Fierce Allegiance; EternalVigilance; B Knotts; jmc813; Kimberly GG; Sun; ...
Steaming pile (((STOP GIULIANI 2008 PRIMARY PING!)))

Freepmail me to be added of removed from this ping list.

42 posted on 02/11/2007 10:47:40 PM PST by NapkinUser (Free Ramos and Compean! Disbarment for the Nifong-wannabe Johnny Sutton.)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

"Rudy will utterly destroy the beast in NY which would guarantee a GOP victory."

I wouldn't be so quick to assume this.


43 posted on 02/11/2007 10:48:28 PM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: SmoothTalker
Trying to pretend that there is no difference between Rudy and Hillary is disingenuous at best.
44 posted on 02/11/2007 10:48:43 PM PST by FairOpinion (Tell Congress: Work for Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Go to: http://www.TheVanguard.org)
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To: EternalVigilance

Ignoring reality doesn't make it go away.


45 posted on 02/11/2007 10:49:15 PM PST by FairOpinion (Tell Congress: Work for Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Go to: http://www.TheVanguard.org)
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To: BunnySlippers
And her ankles were this big


46 posted on 02/11/2007 10:49:21 PM PST by LukeL (Never let the enemy pick the battle site. (Gen. George S. Patton))
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To: Lancey Howard
Do we WANT a President who wins California?

A candidate that can't compete in the blue states isn't going to win. The Republicans can't go in with the only hope based on defending the 2004 electoral map and set the Democrats up to zero in on one or two states.

47 posted on 02/11/2007 10:49:49 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: FairOpinion
“The popularity of the governor shows that you can take the positions that he holds and win in California,”

Oh that's nice. From what the conservatives on this forum from California have been saying, Schwarzenegger has been a real dud lately.

48 posted on 02/11/2007 10:50:04 PM PST by NapkinUser (Free Ramos and Compean! Disbarment for the Nifong-wannabe Johnny Sutton.)
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To: nopardons

"Anyone who underestimates Rudy and over estimates... some great white hope..."

You may well be correct, nopardons, but that is no reason to give up on a conservative, or at least non-liberal, candidate. Especially not this early in the race.

Remember how many candidates peaked early, only to lose their appeal when primary season actually started. It's quite common.

Rudy simply has too leftward a slant for most Republicans, but his negatives have simply not been put out into the arena yet.

And, his pro-war stance will not sit well with the lefties, who might otherwise like his social policies. That's a pretty big load coming his way.

So, don't count your chickens, etc.


49 posted on 02/11/2007 10:50:40 PM PST by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: NapkinUser

(((STOP GIULIANI 2008 PRIMARY PING!)))


Why don't you just call your ping list what it is:

"CONSERVATIVES FOR HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT" ping list.


50 posted on 02/11/2007 10:52:53 PM PST by FairOpinion (Tell Congress: Work for Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Go to: http://www.TheVanguard.org)
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To: Lancey Howard

Yes, Ronald Reagan won California.

A Republican candidate that wins there = landslide and his coat tails = a Republican House.

I'll take a win in CA and everywhere else other than the (hopeless District of Columbia).


51 posted on 02/11/2007 10:53:23 PM PST by NYRepublican72
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

"Rudy will utterly destroy the beast in NY which would guarantee a GOP victory."

Oh bull. Giuliani is losing to Clinton in double digits in New York in this worthless early polls.

If Giuliani really believed he could beat Clinton in New York, he'd have tried to take her senate seat in 2006. But he knew he'd lose and ruin his White House dreams.

Giuliani may (or may not with his scandals) be really electable, but he WILL NOT win the state of New York and it's electoral votes.


52 posted on 02/11/2007 10:53:25 PM PST by NapkinUser (Free Ramos and Compean! Disbarment for the Nifong-wannabe Johnny Sutton.)
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To: FairOpinion

Gov. Arnold also carried CA, and that did not help the conservative cause one bit.

Rudy also would not help conservatism.


53 posted on 02/11/2007 10:54:02 PM PST by Sun (Let your New Year's resolution be to vote for conservatives in the primaries! Happy 2007!)
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To: jim35

So shows us a conservative Republican candidate who has any chance of beating Hillary.


54 posted on 02/11/2007 10:54:19 PM PST by FairOpinion (Tell Congress: Work for Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Go to: http://www.TheVanguard.org)
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To: Sun

"Gov. Arnold also carried CA, and that did not help the conservative cause one bit.

Rudy also would not help conservatism."


Back to basics. Please explain how Angelides as governor of CA and Hillary as president of the US would hlep conservatism.


55 posted on 02/11/2007 10:55:13 PM PST by FairOpinion (Tell Congress: Work for Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Go to: http://www.TheVanguard.org)
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To: FairOpinion

It hardly matters. If the Dem candidate is weak enough to put California in play, he or she has already lost more than enough more competitive states to have lost in a landslide.


56 posted on 02/11/2007 10:56:14 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: FairOpinion
"CONSERVATIVES FOR HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT" ping list.

Honesty is not their long suit.

57 posted on 02/11/2007 10:56:33 PM PST by BunnySlippers (SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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To: FairOpinion

I promise I am not trying to be difficult. Please explain to me how registration is infringing on the right to keep and bear arms.


58 posted on 02/11/2007 10:56:46 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( I am sitting under my cone of silence, inside a copper wire cage wearing a tin foil hat...)
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To: nopardons
The Dems will NOT get withdtrawl of the troops, from Rudy, nor will they get raised taxes, bigger government, more welfare, open admissions to colleges, or a whole host of other things the love.

You have a weak understanding of history. Rudy Giuliani raised spending in NYC 32%, twice the rate of inflation. He ran that town like a police state. He did NOTHING about the welfare state. But don't let facts get in your way, like these:

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue
Giuliani Clinton Dem Platform GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion Supports
Opposed
NY ban
Supports Supports Opposes
Roe v. Wade Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment Opposes Opposes Opposes
Defined at
state level
Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/
Civil Unions
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Openly Gay Military Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship
for Illegal Aliens
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Tough Penalties for
Employers of Illegal Aliens
Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Sanctuary Cities/
Ignoring Immigration Law
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment Opposes
Opposes Opposes
Supports bans
Supports
Confiscating Guns Supports
Confiscated
as mayor.
Even bragged.
Supports Supports
Supports bans
Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban Supports Supports Supports  
Frivolous Lawsuits
Against Gun Makers
Supports
Filed One
Himself
Supports   Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses Supports Supports   Opposes
War in Afghanistan Supports Supports
Voted for it
Supports Supports
War in Iraq Supports Supports
Voted for it
Supports
Weak support
Supports
Patriot Act Supports Supports
Voted for it
2001 & 2006
Opposes Supports
"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it. - Rudy Giuliani

59 posted on 02/11/2007 10:57:11 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: Making fascism fashionable in Kaleefornia, one charade at a time.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

["...you are a fan of someone who's career was kept alive by organized crime?"]

Yeah, that's the ticket. Only bad people can be Sinatra fans. Count me in as one of them. I hope you're just kidding, but hey... everyone is entitled to their own peculiar lunacy, as long as it's harmless.


60 posted on 02/11/2007 10:57:18 PM PST by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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