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Some in party believe he (Giuliani) can win in California
San Diego Union Tribune ^ | Feb. 11, 2007 | John Marelius

Posted on 02/11/2007 10:27:49 PM PST by FairOpinion

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, still basking in his can-do post-Sept. 11 image, got a rousing welcome yesterday from Republican activists searching for a presidential candidate who can win in California.

No Republican presidential candidate has carried California since the elder George Bush did in 1988, and no one has even run a competitive race in the increasingly Democratic-leaning state since then.

Republicans are hopeful they have prospects in the large 2008 field who can reverse the trend by combining liberal and conservative stands that has proven so successful for Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

“The popularity of the governor shows that you can take the positions that he holds and win in California,” said Duf Sundheim, outgoing Republican state chairman. “I think Giuliani has the same opportunity.”

As for Giuliani, backers say his record on reducing crime and taxes in New York should give conservatives plenty to like. He was introduced to the convention yesterday by businessman Bill Simon, the 2002 Republican nominee for California governor who once worked under Giuliani in the U.S. Attorney's Office in New York.

Simon said that as mayor, Giuliani cut taxes 23 times and reduced the city's murder rate by 67 percent. “That is a record that as a conservative Republican, I can heartily endorse,” he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at signonsandiego.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2008; bluestateliberal; corrupt; dreamon; electionpresident; elections; giuliani; giuliani2008; gop; johnwayneheaint; mobties; partysplitter; phony; republicans; rudyspam
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To: Carry_Okie
It would be a handy dandy way to focus potential libel action.

It's hard for politicians to win libel suits.

Better to keep that list for nominees for induction into the FR Hall of Shame.

Although some folks lately seem to have no sense of shame whatsoever.

281 posted on 02/12/2007 9:23:02 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: dirtboy
I'm damned tired of coddling liars with mere refutation.

It's time they learned that there are consequences to demonstrably false public allegation.

282 posted on 02/12/2007 9:23:47 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: Making fascism fashionable in Kaleefornia, one charade at a time.)
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To: dirtboy

Note... the dates and dismissal is not in the PDF file. I pulled that info from the case status and docket online at Pacer. That's when I also noted Whackjob's other legal problems. ;-)


283 posted on 02/12/2007 9:24:22 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: dirtboy
It's hard for politicians to win libel suits.

I know, "public figure" and all that.

284 posted on 02/12/2007 9:25:12 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: Making fascism fashionable in Kaleefornia, one charade at a time.)
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To: BunnySlippers

Most interesting article.


285 posted on 02/12/2007 9:28:12 AM PST by Ciexyz (In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths. Proverbs 3:6)
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To: FairOpinion

I'll say it again. Anyone who thinks Giuliani could take California from Hillary has been smoking Hawaii


286 posted on 02/12/2007 9:29:51 AM PST by william clark (DH4WH - Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: calcowgirl; nopardons; AmeriBrit; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator; Lead Moderator
Note... the dates and dismissal is not in the PDF file. I pulled that info from the case status and docket online at Pacer. That's when I also noted Whackjob's other legal problems. ;-)

And the parties in question couldn't be bothered to research further. I wonder why.

They couldn't provide a link to the website as they claimed that the DOJ had the goods on Hunter. That is some of the most despicable slime I have ever seen done against a conservative on FR.

Thanks for your good work, calcowgirl.

287 posted on 02/12/2007 9:30:14 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Zeroisanumber

We want to play on the RATS field and make them defend blue states with a GOP candidate with enormous cross-over appeal to independents and moderates.

Giuliani, in my estimation, is the best to offer so far.


288 posted on 02/12/2007 9:34:39 AM PST by mwl1
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To: EternalVigilance

Are these the same states that pushed Dole down our throats? What a loser.


289 posted on 02/12/2007 9:36:43 AM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: BunnySlippers

Rudy is a fiscal conservative. Live with it.

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Well, I'll be.. So is aRnie.. and we're gonna be living with and paying for his brand of fiscal conservatism for years. ;-)


290 posted on 02/12/2007 9:46:26 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......)
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To: calcowgirl; Antonious; pissant

I know you are one fair minded person on this forum who looks up the truth when available. I try to do the same so I am going to share this little tidbit with you.

On another thread someone gave the website of Bracewell and Guiliani Law Firm in Houston. Knowing eminent domain is one of the biggies in Texas now, I decided to do a little research. This is what I found:

http://archive.recordonline.com/archive/2006/04/24/news-bspower-04-24.html


excerpt:

"Regional Interconnect has hired Couch White, one of Albany's leading and best-connected lobbying law firms. In Washington, they're represented by Bracewell & Giuliani.

Not only does the law firm bear the name of "America's mayor," it also boasts several former top officials from the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission on its payroll.

That's significant because Regional Interconnect is asking the federal government to declare its proposed route an "electric transmission corridor of national interest."

If granted that distinction, which was first created in last year's Energy Policy Act, FERC could give Regional Interconnect the power to take private land by eminent domain."


291 posted on 02/12/2007 9:51:52 AM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: dirtboy; calcowgirl; Carry_Okie

Is it any coincidence that the same folks that said aRnie was our best and only hope are now shaking it up here for Rudy?

Rudy has many positives yet, as usual, that completely overrides any negatives that also exist in some eyes, and God forbid you even so much as voice a concern at all.

If you can't see that, then, well, turn in your Progressive pom pms or you will never have a moment of peace here. :-)

I am open to whom runs as the GOP candidate on the ticket , but after a long standing process is completed and not before.

I don't appreciate the Rush to force the feeding tube down my throat and out my rectum and back down my throat and receiving no benefit whatsoever in the process.


Am I the only one who feeels that way?

Boy, I'm glad I turned in when I did last night, I hate missing out on all the fun, but as I now see, I didn't miss a thing, it resulted in the usual claptrap from the same old Progressives amongst us with their latest incarnation and wisdom that you must accept or be lambasted in perpetuity if you don't.

This forum and this country deserves better.



292 posted on 02/12/2007 10:00:45 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......)
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To: dirtboy
Thanks for your good work, calcowgirl.

You're welcome.

293 posted on 02/12/2007 10:19:06 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Echo Talon

"He will make her spent lots of $ in CA, NY and all the rest of the "Big Blue States""

And even if he didn't win CA or NY just the fact Hillary would have to be on the defensive there would mean she couldn't be on the offense as much in the battleground states and would certainly be beneficial for us too.


294 posted on 02/12/2007 10:20:01 AM PST by My GOP (Conservatives are realistic and pragmatic!!)
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To: NormsRevenge; calcowgirl; Czar; hedgetrimmer

Well, I have honestly asked for a resume on Rudy from his supporters and all they could give me was he was May of NYC. So I was forced to search on my own. This is getting stinkier and stinkier. Guilani is totally corrupt. Corruption is one of the reasons the Pubbies lost in the last election.

The Republican Party needs to get away from this type big business corruption. This is a loser.


http://www.citizen.org/pressroom/release.cfm?ID=2079

excerpt

Bracewell-Giuliani is a registered lobbyist with dozens of clients in Washington, D.C., according to lobbying disclosure records maintained by the Secretary of the Senate. Many of the clients Bracewell-Giuliani lobbies on behalf of have major business before DeLay and the U.S. House of Representatives.

“Owing such sums of money to your defense firm while that firm is a major player in the influence- peddling business in Washington is unseemly and a conflict of interest,” said Joan Claybrook, president of Public Citizen. “To avoid any appearance of corruption, DeLay should get new legal representation.”

Preventing such conflicts of interest is the very purpose of House Rule 25, which prohibits lobbyists from making contributions or loans to an officeholder’s legal defense fund. When a congressman goes substantially into debt to a law firm that is also a lobbyist, there is precisely the same conflict: A lobbyist is financing the officeholder’s legal defense.

DeLay’s cozy relationship with energy lobbyists formed the grounds for his third rebuke from the House ethics committee in October 2004. He had set up a golf outing at The Homestead resort with energy lobbyists who also had business pending before the House, which the ethics committee considered unseemly and which it determined reflected poorly on the House.

Bracewell-Giuliani has lobbied Congress on behalf of several clients that have received favorable treatment from DeLay while the firm also served as DeLay’s defense lawyer. The close nexus between the special interests and legislation sought by a lobbying firm, and the potential for a lobbying firm currying favor with that politician as his legal representative raises an inappropriate appearance of insider influence peddling by the lobbying firm.

Bracewell-Giuliani represents a gamut of energy industry giants with high stakes before Congress. Energy interests that the firm has represented since 2000 include Southern Co., Shell Oil, the Gas Processors Association and the Electric Reliability Coordinating Council, according to lobbying disclosure filings. The Council, in turn, is a large coalition of utilities such as FirstEnergy that lobby for pro-industry policies. Bracewell also employs two leading energy-industry spokespeople, Frank Maisano and Scott Segal.

The lobbying firm also has represented the Oxygenated Fuels Association, which is a coalition of manufacturers of methyl tertiary-butyl ether (MTBE), a fuel additive that is a likely carcinogen and is a known groundwater pollutant. Its manufacturers have lobbied Congress for years for immunity from lawsuits seeking payment for the clean-up of MTBE-contaminated water supplies.

Bracewell-Giuliani received $254,000 from the Oxygenated Fuels Association in 2003 – during which DeLay served as House majority leader – to lobby Congress and federal agencies on “legislation regarding status of MTBE and related issues,” according to lobbying disclosure records. DeLay fought hard for the MTBE manufacturers that year. In November 2003, the energy bill was stalled due to a discrepancy between the House version, which included immunity for MTBE manufacturers, and the Senate version, which did not. President Bush called DeLay and asked him to compromise on the MTBE provision. DeLay, ever faithful to the wishes of the MTBE manufacturers, refused.

“Energy interests got a gusher in the energy bill, and now it appears that they want to keep their best friend in Congress,” said Frank Clemente, director of Public Citizen’s Congress Watch


295 posted on 02/12/2007 10:20:38 AM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: texastoo

Thanks! I never went down that path in any research, but I've been wondering where Rudy stood on Kelo (also what his position on Kyoto and NAFTA/CAFTA/etc might be). I can guess, but hadn't looked into it.


296 posted on 02/12/2007 10:23:55 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl
I've been wondering where Rudy stood on Kelo

I guess he's for it as long as his lobbying firm can make a buck off it.

297 posted on 02/12/2007 10:27:20 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: PhiKapMom

Ping to post #55. I would hope you would denounce efforts to paint Hunter as being involved in criminality from the PDF being discussed on FR without being linked.


298 posted on 02/12/2007 10:29:04 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: NormsRevenge
Am I the only one who feels that way?

Nope! You're right on target, IMO. Thread after thread for Candidates, and it's the same thing on every one of them. Contentious issues seem to be shoved to the side instead of being discussed. Some have made up their minds and the only objective is to make the other guy look worse. Not everyone is going to think alike and many haven't come close to making a decision, me included. I'd sure like to see the level of discussion raised. But then, I'm an optimist. ;-)

299 posted on 02/12/2007 10:29:51 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Carry_Okie; SierraWasp; tubebender

Of interest, ping.


300 posted on 02/12/2007 10:32:36 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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