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Giuliani: Gun control helped lower crime
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Posted on 02/11/2007 1:33:49 PM PST by Sub-Driver

Giuliani: Gun control helped lower crime

5 minutes ago

Rudy Giuliani addressed a potentially troublesome issue with conservative voters, saying his policies as mayor to get handguns off the street helped reduce crime in New York.

"I used gun control as mayor," he said at a news conference Saturday during a swing through California. But "I understand the Second Amendment. I understand the right to bear arms."

He said what he did as mayor would have no effect on hunting.

Addressing another potential trouble spot with conservatives, Giuliani spoke in favor of a border fence, saying, "You have to have secure borders, you have to have a fence, and the fence I think has to be a highly technological one."

The nation needs to know, he said, who is coming into the country and why. But he provided scant details on how he would deal with illegal immigrants already in the country. Citizens, he added, should be able to read and write English.

Giuliani was to make an address Monday in Silicon Valley and he was to appear Tuesday at an agricultural fair in the Central Valley.

Asked when he would make a formal announcement that he is a candidate for the Republican nomination, Giuliani said: "Well, formally announce? I don't know."

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To: EternalVigilance; AnkleOfRepose; All

I am sorry to note that our good friend and Rudybot, AnkleOfRepose, is no more.

Alas, alas. We hardly knew ye.


161 posted on 02/11/2007 3:23:20 PM PST by Enosh
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To: proudofthesouth

What would be the point with that? LIB VERSES LIB LITE


162 posted on 02/11/2007 3:23:43 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Sub-Driver
If a politician mentions the word 'hunting' when talking about the Second Amendment, you can be damn sure they don't believe the Second Amendment means that you have any rights to anything which disagrees with what that politician wants to do.

Can you imagine a mayor in New York City passing city ordinances which restricted speech by certain groups like FALN or MALDEF because it helped keep the peace? Of course not, because no city or state is allowed to amend or qualify your rights under the constitution (unless its the Second Amendment, the one which doesn't really apply like all of the other ones because people don't really understand what the Founding Fathers were trying to do and the term 'keep and bear arms' is just vague language.....blah, blah, blah)

I wouldn't trust Rudy with my rights to keep and bear arms any more than I would trust Hillary or Obama. To them, I am an inconvenience - a law abiding gun owner.

163 posted on 02/11/2007 3:24:30 PM PST by bpjam (Never Give Up, Never Surrender (Unless James Baker gives you permission))
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To: Finalapproach29er
Vote for Hillary; she loves Republican perfectionists.

You can do as you damn well please.

1. I am NOT a slave of the party.

2. Guilliani would be a good reason to stay home on election day.

164 posted on 02/11/2007 3:25:09 PM PST by LibKill (ENOUGH! Take the warning labels off everything and let Saint Darwin do his job.)
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To: AnkleOfRepose

You need to lay off the crack.JMO


165 posted on 02/11/2007 3:25:47 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Sub-Driver

So, does anyone out there think that if Giuliani gets the nod for the 'R' endorsement we won't have another krinton presidency?


166 posted on 02/11/2007 3:26:48 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth ("I'll build the g--d---- fence if they want it." -- John McCain, A Modern Profile In Courage)
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To: imahawk

The Demrats and Commie Hitlery HAVE to be defeated!

Rudy is the lesser of two evils.


167 posted on 02/11/2007 3:27:37 PM PST by proudofthesouth (Mao said that power comes at the point of a rifle; I say FREEDOM does.)
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To: Enosh

Dang. Sometimes we get to mock and humiliate them a little longer...


168 posted on 02/11/2007 3:29:21 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: AnnaZ
"Wow, that's quite a quote. Not much more needs to be said."

Yeah. It's on par with the 'toon's, "Freedom is the ability to pick your rulers", and "people have too much freedom." LOL! These guys kill me.

169 posted on 02/11/2007 3:32:36 PM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani)
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To: Sub-Driver

Gun Control?

That's two to the chest, one to the head isn't it?


170 posted on 02/11/2007 3:32:52 PM PST by Sudetenland
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To: Sub-Driver
Any rotten SOB politico who claims to understand the Second Amendment, then justifies gun control in terms of its non-effect on hunting, understands NOTHING about 2A; and is an F'n, under-educated LIAR.

Anyone who wants to know what I REALLY think, don't bother asking; just use your imagination.

171 posted on 02/11/2007 3:34:53 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Gene Eric
>> Giuliani: Gun control helped lower crime

Bogus. Crime was reduced because the NYPD was under new management.

Exactly. Giuliani appointed Bill Bratton to NYPD Police Commissioner. Bratton improved the crime tracking system and had so much success reducing crime in NYC that Los Angeles later hired him as Police Chief.

"Broken windows" policies, strong law enforcement, criminal prosecutions, jail sentences, and decreases in nationwide crime also helped reduce crime in NYC.

172 posted on 02/11/2007 3:37:53 PM PST by heleny
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To: LiveFree99
This is true; but the ones that get the money train going first seem to have the best result. Hillary is out on both money and history editing early and hard. it concerns me.
173 posted on 02/11/2007 3:43:44 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (So many geeks so few circuses.)
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To: beltfed308
If congress were still in the hands of the Republicans, then maybe conservative could take a chance with Giuliani on the 2nd amendment issue and the abortion issue. However, it's my guess that both houses will remain democrat after the 08 election. So, it is problematic whether or not Giuliani would veto and legislation concerning these two issues. I kind of doubt that he would. However, the question is this "would Giuliani be preferable to the Antichrist"? Probably....
174 posted on 02/11/2007 3:51:25 PM PST by snoringbear
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To: navygal

I have a bumper stickier on my truck that say...

GUN CONTROL
Hitting your intended target


175 posted on 02/11/2007 3:51:44 PM PST by M-cubed (Why is "Greshams Law" a law?)
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To: Sub-Driver

Rudi has consistantly been anti-gun throughout his whole career. Of course his gun policies didn't effect hunting...there is VERY LITTLE gun hunting for game in New York City!! Probably not the same for citizens.

Do we see a flop flipping in Rudi's future?


176 posted on 02/11/2007 3:53:02 PM PST by GoldenPup
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To: Lockbar

Ha, I dont think there would be any difference in scotus nominations


177 posted on 02/11/2007 3:54:23 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Sub-Driver
He said what he did as mayor would have no effect on hunting.

I love Rudy but this is wrong on so many levels.

178 posted on 02/11/2007 3:56:55 PM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Well said. You are absolutely right!!!!!


179 posted on 02/11/2007 3:57:17 PM PST by GoldenPup
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To: AnkleOfRepose

It's too early to settle for warts and pimples. I'd rather settle for roast beef and salad.

Wait and see. Someone that appears to have no chance now, may have a big chance in another year.

The democratic traitors are center stage in power at the moment, sooner or later, they must take responsibility.


180 posted on 02/11/2007 3:57:45 PM PST by 2ndClassCitizen
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