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Mr. Krikorian is right, of course. The notion of a two-tier system, where citizens have full rights and "Guest Workers" are less-than-human should be repulsive to us all.
1 posted on 02/09/2007 11:46:01 AM PST by bondjamesbond
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To: bondjamesbond

"According to a congressman's wife..."

This needs both source and context.


2 posted on 02/09/2007 11:48:22 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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"I don't want my 17-year-old son to have to pick tomatoes or make beds in Las Vegas."

Translation: "I want someone else's son to have to pick tomatoes or make beds in Las Vegas."

3 posted on 02/09/2007 11:49:06 AM PST by Enterprise (Drop pork bombs on the Islamofascist wankers. Praise the Lord and pass the hammunition.)
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Yes, and most Americans at some time in their lives (except the very rich) work at menial or unskilled labor jobs. It makes you appreciate your job later in life when you use your mind rather than muscle.


4 posted on 02/09/2007 11:49:45 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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"I don't want my 17-year-old son to have to pick tomatoes or make beds in Las Vegas."

As if Karl Rove's kid would actually be doing this if the illegals weren't here right now.

There's something that I find rather repulsive in this attitude among America's elites today that honest-to-goodness work is demeaning and something to be avoided at all costs, even for young teenagers.

5 posted on 02/09/2007 11:49:56 AM PST by jpl
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I'd like to know what context the statement made by Rove was taken from. This could be a case of selective editing - if not then Rove should be ashamed. This smacks of centuries ago when black slaves did the menial work. We've all seen how well that turned out. . . .


7 posted on 02/09/2007 11:53:18 AM PST by onevoter
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According to a congressman's wife who attended a Republican women's luncheon yesterday

Resorting to unnamed and/or anonymous sources is sloppy journalism at best and downright lying at worst. There is no need for this because the Secure Border/Anti-Illegal Immigration crowd is correct on the issues.

8 posted on 02/09/2007 11:53:19 AM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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I went to MIT, got a degree there and a more advanced one somewhere else, and these days I make a pretty good dollar.

I also spent time crawling around in the tall grass underneath my uncle's apple trees waving away the snakes and hornets picking up dropped apples to be made into cider for 10 cents a bushel.

I also spent time in a meat market scraping up meat and fat scraps off the floor with a metal scraper and cleaning out every fleck of meat and bone out of all the grinding and cutting machines with bleach evenings.

Those and other such jobs made damn sure I appreciated being at MIT, and made sure that when I speak and act and vote I remember my Dad's words, that any honest living is a respectable and honorable one.


9 posted on 02/09/2007 11:54:33 AM PST by RonF
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Well yes he is right, but he is also right that NO source of work is beneath Americans. An honest days work for an honest days pay, is not only what built this country, it is the value we all know should continue to build it. Young people just starting out are building also, they are building their lives. And any job, no matter what it is, if it is honest, and allows them to begin that building should be applauded.
11 posted on 02/09/2007 11:55:10 AM PST by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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"I don't want my 17-year-old son to have to pick tomatoes or make beds in Las Vegas."
I didn't get the Rove memo: Are we in the Second Guilded Age?
13 posted on 02/09/2007 11:55:43 AM PST by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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There should be no need to explain why this is an obscene statement coming from a leader in the party that promotes the virtues of hard work, thrift, and sobriety...

Mmmmm...methinks that needs a fixin'...

There should be no need to explain why this is an obscene statement coming from a leader in the party that tries to promote an image that it represents the virtues of hard work, thrift, and sobriety...

There. That's better.

16 posted on 02/09/2007 11:58:38 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Res firma mitescere nescit)
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Rove, you bastard!


17 posted on 02/09/2007 11:58:46 AM PST by TUAN_JIM (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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Mr. Krikorian is right, of course.

Actually, Mr. Krikorian is wrong. The US boom economy has always depended on a large supply of cheap immigrant/slave labor. The only exception to this was the baby boom which was a large group that simulated immigrant cheap labor.

The only difference now is that the US ran out of caucasians to import and now are importing non caucasians.

20 posted on 02/09/2007 12:02:57 PM PST by staytrue
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Do you know why this article was pulled earlier?


22 posted on 02/09/2007 12:04:21 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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Bottom line, honest truth is that we need immigration so that we don't end up like Europe with a declining aging population that cannot sustain itself militarily or economically.

The traditional white Anglo-Saxon majority in the U.S. is, like Europe, failing to reproduce in sufficient numbers. Europe is thus being taken over by eastern immigration, most of it muslim.

Mexicans are, by and large, hard working, family-oriented, and industrious. They're also Christian.

Demographically, we need them. That's just fact.

Flame away, but I'm telling the truth.


27 posted on 02/09/2007 12:09:28 PM PST by Jedidah
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"I don't want my 17-year-old son to have to pick tomatoes or make beds in Las Vegas."

I agree with him. I don't want my son or daughter to pick tomatoes or make beds in Vegas either. I am not an wealthy elitist like Rove. I did work at such jobs as janitor, laborer, carpenter helper, etc... while getting a few college degrees along the way. Some of which are advanced degrees. Both my kids are grown now and turned out great.

30 posted on 02/09/2007 12:10:14 PM PST by WesternPacific
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Agreed. The rationale behind Rove's supposed statement disgusts.

That said. I don't believe he said it.


31 posted on 02/09/2007 12:11:43 PM PST by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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...it would change the very nature of our society for the worse, creating whole occupations deemed to be unfit for respectable Americans, for which little brown people have to be imported from abroad.

This, Ladies and Gentleman, is how apartheid begins, and it should alarm EVERY American, that this beginning is being actively promoted, right here in the United states, by leading figures at the highest levels of our government.

I laud Bush for his stance on terrorism; I curse him for his stance on illegal immigration.

Were the President to get his way on illegal immigration, this country would become something more Third-Worldly, something less appreciated by its citizenry, something less united, something less noble, something less worthy of the sacrifices being now made to save it. The President's policies on terrorism and illegal immigration are at irreconcilable positions: The former asserts the worth of the Nation and determines to save it from harm at all costs, while the latter casts the value of citizenship into the dust, as a base thing unworthy of being protected from degradation. This is nothing less than political schizophrenia.

Mr. President, you cannot have it both ways. Either this Nation and citizenship herein are both worthy of protection, preservation, and respect; both worthy of the blood sacrifice of those who have risen to fight for them, or neither of them are worthy of such effort end esteem. You cannot simultaneously protect and erode this Nation while professing to be acting in its best interest. That you do not seem to recognize that this is precisely what you are doing, only makes you look like a complete fool.

35 posted on 02/09/2007 12:17:16 PM PST by HKMk23 (No view is admirable or infernal but that the root principle makes it so.)
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The sheltering of one's children from reality is called "spoiling" for good reason.

It's a shame what happens to these poor-in-spirit rich kids. There's always lawyering and government work, I suppose. ;^)


46 posted on 02/09/2007 12:43:55 PM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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"I don't want my 17-year-old son to have to pick tomatoes or make beds in Las Vegas."

A Google search of "Karl Rove + net worth" shows him at $3.65 million in 2005.

Not exactly a huge fortune but I doubt little Karl Jr. will ever be forced to pick a tomato.

54 posted on 02/09/2007 12:53:19 PM PST by primeval patriot
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It should indeed be repulsive. Eventually, the rights of the "upper class" will be diminished.

I guess slavery's cheerleaders never really went away.

58 posted on 02/09/2007 1:04:03 PM PST by labette ("Come,and let us reason together...")
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