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1 posted on 02/09/2007 5:55:33 AM PST by Uncledave
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To: areafiftyone; PhiKapMom; Peach

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2 posted on 02/09/2007 5:56:06 AM PST by Uncledave
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To: Blackirish; Jameison; Sabramerican; BunnySlippers; tkathy; veronica; Roccus; Jake The Goose; ...

(((((PING))))


3 posted on 02/09/2007 5:59:30 AM PST by areafiftyone (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - STRENGTH AND LEADERSHIP)
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To: Uncledave
"For now, however, there is a certain symmetry of interest between conservatives and Giuliani. Conservatives should want Giuliani to agree with them on as many issues as possible."

Symmetry -- as in equal but opposite viewpoints.

4 posted on 02/09/2007 6:00:04 AM PST by TommyDale (Who do you trust? An ex-mayor? Or the ranking member of the House Committee on Armed Services?)
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To: Uncledave

Thanks for the ping. LOL! It seems like everyone in the MSM has advice for Rudy.


5 posted on 02/09/2007 6:00:50 AM PST by areafiftyone (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - STRENGTH AND LEADERSHIP)
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To: Uncledave

I am still sitting on the fence . I don't like Rudy's ideas on issues which are important to me and why I vote.One issue is he wants people to take a test to have a handgun. The only ones taking the test are the legal handgun owners. The issue of abortion, maybe he can take that position , but not me. I still don't like the actions in his personal life and I was always taught , you have marriage between a man and a woman.Also the Hampton's are about as connected to me as John Edwards with his too Americas while I build this huge house. Nope I am still looking for a candidate.


6 posted on 02/09/2007 6:01:12 AM PST by betsyross1776
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To: Uncledave

My concern is that if Giuliani is the Republican candidate some conservatives will pout and stay home from the polls. This is in large part why we currently have a Democrat controlled Congress. The prospect of President Hillary is so odious to this conservative that I would gladly vote for John McCain, Romney or any other Republican regardless if their individual beliefs exactly coincided with mine. God save our Republic if we get another Clinton in the White House.


9 posted on 02/09/2007 6:08:22 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: Uncledave
It's going to be tough to vote for this guy if he wins the nomination. However, it's a lead pipe cinch that the dim nominee will be pro choice, and probably in a much worse way than Gulliani.

One thing is for sure--I will vote, and I will vote for the Republican nominee.

Also, Gullani is a gun grabber, which I certainly don't like. Again, though, the dim candidate will no doubt be a much more committed anti Second Amendment person.

It seems to me that if we are going to be "one issue" voters in this election, our one issue better be the war on terror. If we're attacked again, and many of us are dead....well, I guess we won't care much about anyone's stance on anything.

13 posted on 02/09/2007 6:12:52 AM PST by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment rights--buy another gun today.)
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To: Uncledave
Giuliani also says he would look for “strict constructionists” in the mold of Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito to fill judicial vacancies.

That is why he endorsed Mario Cuomo over George Pataki???

16 posted on 02/09/2007 6:15:39 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Uncledave
Gee, that's odd?!?

I searched the article three times and nowhere is Rudy's EXTREME, LEFT-WING view on gun control and confiscation mentioned.

Oh well, I guess he hasn't had his 'Come to Jesus' moment on that yet. /s

(or ... is the 2A the 'thing not to be mentioned' in Rudy's presence)

20 posted on 02/09/2007 6:30:00 AM PST by Condor51 (Where's Attila The Hun when you need him? [Go sit down Rudy])
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To: Uncledave
there are serious obstacles to Giuliani’s winning the embrace of conservatives (an UNDERSTATEMENT, if there ever was one).

Putting aside his tumultuous personal life, his positions on many national issues, from tax reform to the environment, are largely unknown and will be more closely examined. On social issues, however, his LIBERAL views are well known and so present a threshold question for many conservatives(Duh!). Giuliani’s most important flaw in this regard is his denial that unborn children have a right to life(not to mention his anti-gun, anti-freedom, anti-2nd Amendment, I would submit, UN-American positions).

The bar for Giuliani will (and SHOULD) be higher, since he is running for president(THAT's the point!)

On Hannity & Colmes on Monday night, Giuliani said that he supports a ban on partial-birth abortion, so long as it allows the procedure when necessary to save the mother’s life. The qualification is puzzling: Nobody has ever presented a persuasive hypothetical case in which a woman’s health would depend on partly delivering her child and then crushing the child’s skull and sucking out the brains — let alone an actual case in which her life was at stake.

On Hannity & Colmes, he dodged the question (I would submit he dodged MANY of the questions).

His current muddle raises the possibility that “strict constructionism” is, for him, nothing more than a slogan.(it's called POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY. RINO-rudy is willing to SAY or DO most anything to get elected President)

He would also be well-advised to quit caricaturing the pro-life position.

Many conservatives understandably don’t want to shut the door on Rudy Giuliani (Maybe SO-CALLED "conservatives". The MAJORITY of TRUE CONSERVATIVES DO want to slam the door on this RINO)

Many pro-lifers, and many (TRUE) conservatives, may eventually decide (We have ALREADY decided!) that for all his obvious strengths (one, MAYBE TWO strengths MAX) they CANNOT support Giuliani for president.

21 posted on 02/09/2007 6:38:37 AM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: Uncledave

So the girly boys at NRO go all tingly over Rudy the Liberal. Why am I not surprised?


26 posted on 02/09/2007 6:55:43 AM PST by LiveFree99
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To: Uncledave

I like Rudy, but not for Prez. Of course, if it is between him and Hillary, no contest: Rudy all the way. :)


29 posted on 02/09/2007 7:00:04 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Uncledave

But for four decades, pro-lifers have resisted intense pressure from journalistic, political, and legal elites to declare the abortion question closed. Those elites would surely treat the Republican party’s nomination of a pro-choicer as their final victory. Having blocked that bipartisan ratification of abortion-on-demand for so long, pro-lifers will be especially disinclined to accept it now, after several years in which they have gained ground. (Even Democrats realize that their pro-choice extremism is an electoral loser.)


38 posted on 02/09/2007 8:02:20 AM PST by kalee (No burka for me....EVER!)
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To: Uncledave

LOL

I love it.

Post after post saying the same thing
Rudy will be a fiscal Conservative,
Rudy will fight the war.

Nothing else matters and all other Republicans are losers.

We're not gonna swallow that tripe.


40 posted on 02/09/2007 8:40:47 AM PST by TitansAFC (Pacifism is not peace; pacifists are not peacemakers.)
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To: Uncledave

One scenario in favor of late term abortion is where the mother has a life threatening cancer, requiring chemotherapy, but the baby is not old enough to live after a Caesarean section.

That exact thing happened recently, in a case where the mother decided to let the cancer progress untreated, giving up her own life for the child.

That was a heroic choice, but we don't live in a country that would force a woman in that situation to choose the life of her child over her own life.


41 posted on 02/09/2007 9:15:28 AM PST by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: All
We must do what we must do :)BEWARE!... Social-conservatives, Christian conservatives or moral-conservatives of ANY KIND..

*** WE NEED TO UNITE ***

WHO? I don't know, but here we are, in the middle of the Internet revolution, and yet, I feel as if someone, somewhere, is pulling the strings to elect a LEFTY 'Republican.'

Who is calling the shots here?... I guess special interest(s) with MONEY, I "hear" someone literally telling me, "Go, go little unimportant people, go home... Leave this to the EXPERTS, We the smart people will let know when to vote! - LOL.

I believe Guliani's CONSULTANTS team tactic is simply to DIVIDE the Republicans. Attract as many Lefty Republicans (I still don't get used to the label /s) by selling Mr. Guiliani as the CHAMPION OF NATIONAL SECURITY!... Just because, yes he cleaned up N.Y. and acted with leadership on 9/11... Great as those things are, does not make him the Republican Presidential candidate by default...HARDLY!

And I should say, if he were a social-conservative (as DUNCAN is) THEN, I would be pulling hard for him!... But as it is, NO WAY IN HELL I WILL VOTE FOR HIM!... Because if he gets elected, well, social-conservatives LOSE AND the LEFT WINS... That simple. All true social, Christian or Moral conservatives should above all, DENY our vote to the Left... And Rudy is the LEFT on social issues, and those are our issues.


45 posted on 02/09/2007 10:16:06 AM PST by ElPatriota (Duncan Hunter 08 & Let's not forget, we are all still friends, basically :) despite our differences)
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To: Uncledave

While he [Bush] has declined to call explicitly for its reversal, he has said that the law should protect unborn life and has done what he could to bring that wish closer to reality. He has thus, in practice, stood for the principle that in this country we govern ourselves rather than simply accepting gravely mistaken edicts from the courts."

Incomprehensible. Bush did very little to move the ball forward in a time when the public itself was moving away from unrestricted abortions. If a born again Christian like Bush couldn't get anything done other than judicial appointments then we shouldn't worry about being a "one issue" political movement.

Winning isn't the best thing--it's the only thing.


47 posted on 02/09/2007 10:44:05 AM PST by wildbill
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