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States rally against a national license
Kansas City Star ^ | 2/7/07 | AP via KC STAR

Posted on 02/07/2007 6:06:12 PM PST by kerryusama04

WASHINGTON | A revolt against a national driver’s license, begun in Maine last month, is quickly spreading to other states.

The Maine Legislature on Jan. 26 overwhelmingly passed a resolution objecting to the Real ID Act of 2005. The federal law sets a national standard for driver’s licenses and requires states to link their record-keeping systems to national databases.

Within a week, lawmakers in Georgia, Wyoming, Montana, New Mexico, Vermont and Washington state also balked at Real ID.

“It’s the whole privacy thing,” said Matt Sundeen, a transportation analyst for the National Conference of State Legislatures. “A lot of legislators are concerned about privacy issues and the cost. It’s an estimated $11 billion implementation cost.”

The law’s supporters say it is needed to prevent terrorists and illegal immigrants from getting fake identification.

States will have to comply by May 2008. If they do not, driver’s licenses that fall short of Real ID’s standards can’t be used to board an airplane or enter a federal building or open some bank accounts.

About a dozen states have active legislation against Real ID, including Arizona, Georgia, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Missouri, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Utah and Wyoming.

Missouri Rep. Jim Guest, a Republican from King City, formed a coalition of lawmakers from 34 states to protest Real ID.

“This is almost a frontal assault on the freedoms of America when they require us to carry a national ID to monitor where we are,” Guest said in an interview Saturday.

Others say a national license would promote identity theft.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: lentzcard; realconservative; realid
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1 posted on 02/07/2007 6:06:15 PM PST by kerryusama04
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To: kerryusama04
Missouri Rep. Jim Guest, a Republican from King City, formed a coalition of lawmakers from 34 states to protest Real ID.

Jim Guest is my Representative and I lobbied and donated to help him win re-election. He won by a little more than 600 votes.

I phoned Rep Guest's office today to ask him to support MO Castle Doctrine, which he was going to do anyhow since he is NRA A Rated and that's when they told me what an abomination the Real ID Act is.

2 posted on 02/07/2007 6:08:48 PM PST by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: kerryusama04

Jacobus Lambertus Lentz, collaborated with the Nazis in 1941 to improve the existing ID cards and data processing systems.

August 17 (1941), Lentz devised a unique tamper-proof personal identification card that could not be forged. Translucent inks were employed to print key words that disappeared under a quartz lamp. The stamp franking was acetone-soluble. Photos of the individual were affixed front and back through a window transparently sealed and adhered with permanennt glue. A fingerprint of the person's right index finger was then impressed upon one of the photos so it always displayed through a small window. The individual's signature on watermarked paper completed the document, which included personal details.

Having created an ID Card, Lentz then anticipated the occupying Nazis demands for censuses and lists of Jews and non-Jewish slave labourers (categorised by skills and education), which were used for the mass arrests and deportations, through his IBM Hollerith punched card analyses.


3 posted on 02/07/2007 6:10:58 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: kerryusama04

It's all just a dog and pony show. States have no power and if the feds want a national ID they'll black mail the states with federal money into going along.


4 posted on 02/07/2007 6:13:10 PM PST by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: kerryusama04

“This is almost a frontal assault on the freedoms of America when they require us to carry a national ID to monitor where we are,”

Is there going to be GPS in the drivers license? The hyperbole on this issue has become absurd. If you don't want a state ID acceptable to the National Government than don't have one. Just don't expect your state Id to be accepted when you go somewhere where the National Government has control, like at an airport.


5 posted on 02/07/2007 6:16:45 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton
Is there going to be GPS in the drivers license? The hyperbole on this issue has become absurd. If you don't want a state ID acceptable to the National Government than don't have one. Just don't expect your state Id to be accepted when you go somewhere where the National Government has control, like at an airport.

I felt exactly like you until I spoke to the Representative's office today. There is going to be an RFID tag in the ID and it is quite Orwellian what's going on here.

6 posted on 02/07/2007 6:21:01 PM PST by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: tfecw
It's all just a dog and pony show. States have no power and if the feds want a national ID they'll black mail the states with federal money into going along.

You're right. But what should the states do? Should we just bend over and let the feds stick a big one up us with out a fight? Even though it is going to be forced on us, we still need to fight tooth and nail against it. This National ID thing won't do a damn thing in fighting terrorism. The feds have wanted to to this for a while.. they are just using terrorism as a reason since most of the american public thinks in a post 9/11 world 'well if it keeps us safe.. then lets do it!'.
7 posted on 02/07/2007 6:22:48 PM PST by BigTom85 (Proud Gun Owner and Member of NRA)
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To: kerryusama04

Ive heard a lot of things about this Real ID. One question I have is, would you have to take it EVERYWHERE with you? I mean say you were going out on a run, would you need to take it with you deep into the woods?


8 posted on 02/07/2007 6:23:24 PM PST by gun_supporter
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To: kerryusama04

Good grief. We have enough trouble with the fed dbases now.


9 posted on 02/07/2007 6:26:12 PM PST by knittnmom (...surrounded by prayers!)
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To: Prokopton
Is there going to be GPS in the drivers license?

RFID. Which coupled with various sensors in a city will be able to track where that ID goes. While it would not be able to tell where YOU are at any given time eventually the government would be able to tell which door your ID went through last. Though that does mean you can just leave your ID behind or drop it in the back of some unsuspecting car.

Call it hyperbole if you like, but eventually we will get to the point that in order to be off the grid and zeroed we have to break the law.

10 posted on 02/07/2007 6:27:58 PM PST by Domandred
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To: tfecw
Damn, I am venting here. Why is it so hard to see? It is so well laid out in the Constitution. The federal government takes care of those thing federal; national defense, interstate commerce, etc. What is not specifically enumerated to them is in the realm of the states. Each and every year the Federal system takes more and more from the States. It must stop or our system will fail.
11 posted on 02/07/2007 6:32:07 PM PST by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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To: gun_supporter
Ive heard a lot of things about this Real ID. One question I have is, would you have to take it EVERYWHERE with you? I mean say you were going out on a run, would you need to take it with you deep into the woods?

Real ID is a new set of requirements for states' present identification cards to be recognized by the federal government. In other words, in order for your drivers license to qualify to get you a gun or on a plane, it would have to meet the new standards which are spooky bad in the civil liberty department.

12 posted on 02/07/2007 6:58:05 PM PST by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: TheHound; All
Welcome to the real world!

Once upon a time, we had a Civil War against the Federal Governments unconstitutional power grab against States Rights.
"We" lost.
Don't expect a do-over, absent a bloody revolution on a much larger scale.
Don't expect a revolution at all, bloody or otherwise.
We have not learned from history, so we must repeat it.
13 posted on 02/07/2007 7:01:43 PM PST by sarasmom ( War is not the most vile of the evils humanity commits . There is always apathy...)
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To: TheHound

Let's not let the Constitution get in the way of some popular legislation, now.


14 posted on 02/07/2007 7:02:56 PM PST by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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To: Domandred
"RFID. Which coupled with various sensors in a city will be able to track where that ID goes."

The RFID proposed for RealID is the same as used in EPassports, the reading distance is 3-4 inches. If you use the RealID your activities could be tracked just as they can be now if you use a credit card or a drivers license as ID to write a check. Even with RealID, if you don't use it i.e. you use cash and don't fly or rent a car or stay at a hotel, your movements cannot be tracked. This is the way it is now with current ID.
15 posted on 02/07/2007 7:07:17 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: sarasmom
Welcome to the real world!

Oh, I am firmly seated in this world. I am not talking about what has happened, I am talking about what IS happening. We cannot stop what has happened, but; if we don't stop what is happening, we are likely to lose our Republic!

16 posted on 02/07/2007 7:26:24 PM PST by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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To: kerryusama04

Anyone without the new National ID (just calling it what it is) will become a non-citizen in the eyes of the Federal Government. No buying real estate, cars, insurance, plane tickets, and no getting a job or services from the Federal Government. HMMM. Don't Like it.


17 posted on 02/07/2007 7:26:38 PM PST by Hambone02 (USAF AMMO IYAAYAS)
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To: kerryusama04
Within a week, lawmakers in Georgia, Wyoming, Montana, New Mexico, Vermont and Washington state also balked at Real ID.

Would someone post a Washington state "balked" link.
* Not from some newspaper story!

18 posted on 02/07/2007 7:28:23 PM PST by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF)
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To: Prokopton

This site offers really good information on the real ID(National ID):


http://www.epic.org/privacy/id_cards/


19 posted on 02/07/2007 7:35:05 PM PST by Hambone02 (USAF AMMO IYAAYAS)
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To: tfecw

pretty hard to blackmail 37 states into compliance.

If there is no money authorized in the budget for implementation, there will be no national id.
I was at the Capital (JC) today on other matters. But was able to talk to my district Rep. There is a concensus against compliance.

The sheeple can only be herded so far by the wolf before some go astray.


20 posted on 02/07/2007 7:42:21 PM PST by o_zarkman44
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