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"E-Voting Machines Get The Fish-Eye"
Internet News ^ | 7 February 2007 | Michael Hickins

Posted on 02/07/2007 3:54:50 PM PST by lifelong_republican

"...voters increasingly distrust the new voting machines because they have no way of knowing that the machine is accurately recording their votes..."

(Excerpt) Read more at internetnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: america; americans; representation; vote
They're going to need more than random manual recounts.

They're going to need complete, secure, independent audits.

1 posted on 02/07/2007 3:54:52 PM PST by lifelong_republican
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To: lifelong_republican

"voters increasingly distrust the new voting machines because they have no way of knowing that the machine is accurately recording their votes"

Other than that pesky reciept I looked at.


2 posted on 02/07/2007 3:56:32 PM PST by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: lifelong_republican

Paper ballots and scanners will replace touch screens.


3 posted on 02/07/2007 3:57:10 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: L98Fiero

The receipt need not match the tallies.


4 posted on 02/07/2007 3:59:16 PM PST by lifelong_republican (Real Americans: Real Ballots)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
I agree with you totally. You wrote:

"Paper ballots and scanners will replace touch screens."

The opscans are cheaper, as fewer are needed to accommodate a lot more voters, and they can - and must - be checked independently.

5 posted on 02/07/2007 4:01:31 PM PST by lifelong_republican (Real Americans: Real Ballots)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Paper ballots and scanners will replace touch screens.

People were in such a rush away from punch cards, they didn't even think. Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) is dumping its touch screens after one or two uses and going to opscans. The board of elections head and some of his people got dumped yesterday, too.

6 posted on 02/07/2007 4:05:06 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Right Wing Assault

There were a good many local officials who wanted no part of the paperless electronics, but were forced to buy them by unscrupulous people who lied about the requirements of HAVA 2002.


7 posted on 02/07/2007 4:09:02 PM PST by lifelong_republican (Real Americans: Real Ballots)
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To: lifelong_republican
The receipt need not match the tallies.

I can imagine that in Chicago and other heavily DemocRAT cities there would be lots of thugs outside the precincts to inspect your ballot receipts after you vote.

8 posted on 02/07/2007 4:17:24 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Right Wing Assault
I used punched cards for years and last year we had the choice of a touch screen or paper ballots. Most people chose paper. Paper is faster. Anybody who ever took a standardized test, which would be practically every voter by now, can just jump right in and vote without a lot of instruction.

I don't know why they ever used touch screens in the first place. The election officials fell for a sales pitch and a slick gimmick.

9 posted on 02/07/2007 4:25:52 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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I don't know why they ever used touch screens in the first place. The election officials fell for a sales pitch and a slick gimmick.

People who are blind can use touch-screen machines without assistance (and thus without letting anyone know how they're voting). On the other hand, even places that use optical-scan ballots could handle blind voters by simply having a touch-screen machine that places marks on a paper ballot as directed by the voter; the paper ballot would then be counted the same as any other.

10 posted on 02/07/2007 4:28:34 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Thank you. You make a really excellent point. You wrote:

"I can imagine that in Chicago and other heavily DemocRAT cities there would be lots of thugs outside the precincts to inspect your ballot receipts after you vote."

Any paper showing the vote and being carried out of the polling place could be used for vote-selling scams. Voters should create and confirm their own ballots, but leave them at the polls where they can be subjected to video and other security measures.

11 posted on 02/07/2007 4:29:45 PM PST by lifelong_republican (Real Americans: Real Ballots)
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To: lifelong_republican

Oh boy, you didn't do you homework on what "The Fish Eye" means in the slang of the Internet or radio. You're going to be somewhat appalled.


12 posted on 02/07/2007 4:40:47 PM PST by Malsua
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That is a point, but way too much record keeping is given away with touch screens.


13 posted on 02/07/2007 4:42:41 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Malsua

Are you referring to the authors of the article who selected its title?


14 posted on 02/07/2007 5:01:31 PM PST by lifelong_republican (Real Americans: Real Ballots)
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To: Right Wing Assault
The board of elections head and some of his people got dumped yesterday, too.

Let me guess...they were Republicans? < /sarc >

15 posted on 02/07/2007 5:08:00 PM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
That is a point, but way too much record keeping is given away with touch screens.

What's the problem? Voter shows up at polls and is given a ballot. If voter is capable of using a pen, the voter marks the ballot with a pen. If voter can't use a pen, the voter uses a touch-screen (or audio+headphones) machine to mark the ballot.

Once the ballot is marked by the electronic device, it is treated the same as any other paper ballot. No record-keeping is required for the electronic device.

16 posted on 02/07/2007 5:40:31 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: supercat; All

It's not necessary to use electronics for the visually or manually disabled voter.

There are inexpensive, totally-transparent, mechanical tools which will allow someone who can't see or someone who can't write to generate, and confirm, personally and independently, a physical paper ballot.


17 posted on 02/08/2007 5:18:19 AM PST by lifelong_republican (Real Americans: Real Ballots)
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