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DNA Clue To Presidential Puzzle (Jefferson)
BBC ^ | 2-7-2007 | Paul Rincon

Posted on 02/07/2007 3:23:30 PM PST by blam

DNA clue to presidential puzzle

By Paul Rincon
Science reporter, BBC News

DNA results from Thomas Jefferson were a mystery

DNA tests carried out on two British men have shed light on a mystery surrounding the ancestry of Thomas Jefferson, America's third president.

In the 1990s, DNA was taken from male relatives of Jefferson to see if he fathered a son with one of his slaves.

They found the president had a rare genetic signature found mainly in the Middle East and Africa, calling into question his claim of Welsh ancestry.

But this DNA type has now been found in two Britons with the Jefferson surname.

Professor Mark Jobling, from the University of Leicester, and colleagues discovered the two British Jeffersons possessed the same rare male (or Y) chromosome type as the third US president.

Genetic analysis showed the British men shared a common ancestor with Thomas Jefferson about 11 generations ago. But neither knew of any family links to the US.

The unusual lineage has not been found in white Britons before. This discovery scotches any suggestion that Jefferson - who was president between 1801 and 1809 - must have had recent paternal ancestors from the Middle East.

Last month, Professor Jobling's group reported the discovery of seven white men from Yorkshire carrying a West African Y chromosome.

Welsh extraction

The Y chromosome is a package of genetic material passed down from father to son, more or less unchanged - just like a surname.

THE DNA MOLECULE

* The double-stranded DNA molecule is held together by four chemical components called bases Adenine (A) bonds with thymine (T); cytosine(C) bonds with guanine (G)
* Groupings of these "letters" form the "code of life"; there are about 2.9 billion base-pairs in the human genome wound into 24 distinct bundles, or chromosomes
* Written in the DNA are about 20-25,000 genes which human cells use as starting templates to make proteins; these sophisticated molecules build and maintain our bodies
* Over many generations, it does accumulate small changes in its DNA sequence, allowing relationships between different male lineages to be studied.

Y chromosomes can be classified into broad groups (haplogroups) which, to some extent, reflect a person's geographical ancestry.

Certain haplogroups might be common in, for example, East Asia but rare in Europe. In Britain, sharing a surname raises the likelihood of sharing the same Y chromosome type.

The two men in the latest study had paternal ancestry in Yorkshire and the West Midlands respectively.

Thomas Jefferson's haplogroup - shared with the two men from Britain - is known as K2.

K2 makes up about 7% of the Y chromosome types found in Somalia, Oman, Egypt and Iraq. It has now been found at low frequencies in France, Spain, Portugal and Britain.

Of the K2s looked at by the study, Jefferson's Y chromosome was most similar to that of a man from Egypt. But genetic relationships between different K2s are poorly understood, and this may have little significance.

Instead, say the researchers, their study makes Jefferson's claim to be of Welsh extraction much more plausible.

Common ancestor

Professor Jobling told BBC News: "Finding that Jefferson's Y chromosome was one mutational step away from an Egyptian type makes you think 'crikey, could he have a relatively recent origin in the Middle East?'

Hemings was a slave at Jefferson's Monticello estate in Virginia

"Our point is that we find, at lower frequencies, French, British and Iberian K2s and they are jolly diverse. His fits into that picture of a west European sub-population of K2."

The DNA sequences of individual K2s - including those from Europe - are quite different from one another.

This "genetic diversity" has to accumulate over time, supporting the idea that Jefferson's haplogroup is not a recent introduction into Europe.

The haplogroup has probably been present for centuries in the "indigenous" population of western Europe, says Professor Jobling, and is not exclusive to the Middle East and Africa.

Paternity case

It could have been introduced to Europe by the first modern humans to colonise the continent 40,000 years ago.

Another theory concerns the Phoenicians, an ancient maritime trading culture that spread out across the Mediterranean from their home in what is now Lebanon. K2 is relatively common in Lebanon, leading to suggestions that European K2s may be descendents of these ancient traders.

In 1998, Jobling and others completed an investigation looking at whether Jefferson, main author of the Declaration of Independence, fathered a son with Sally Hemings, a slave he owned.

Rumours had long existed that they had one or more children. Since Jefferson had no legitimate surname-bearing progeny, the team used samples from descendents of his paternal uncle.

They compared these with descendents of Eston Hemings Jefferson, Sally's last son. The Y chromosomes matched, suggesting Jefferson, or one of his paternal relatives, was Eston's father.

Details appear in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dna; godsgravesglyphs; president; puzzle; thomasjefferson
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1 posted on 02/07/2007 3:23:31 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv; Pharmboy

FYI Ping.


2 posted on 02/07/2007 3:24:07 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

mark for later


3 posted on 02/07/2007 3:25:16 PM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: blam

in 10 months it will be revealed that he is related to barack obama (who, by coincidence, is also related to George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Jesus Christ)


4 posted on 02/07/2007 3:28:44 PM PST by flashbunny (<---------- Hate RINOs? Click my name for 2008 GOP RINO collector cards.)
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To: blam
To see the DNA map of the haplogroup K migrations, click here then go to the bottom of the page and click on 'Genetic Markers', then click on 'K'.

It doesn't jibe with this article.

5 posted on 02/07/2007 3:29:34 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
The article published to suggest that Jefferson had fathered a child out of wedlock was published just in time to provide cover for Clinton. The British "scientific" journal which published the article withdrew their support when it was pointed out that the analysis had not precluded the paternity of Jefferson's brother, which was the then current speculation. The story got feet [actually wings] since it smeared a founding father at a time in Clinton's Presidency when character was being swept under the rug.

I subscribed to U.S. News and World report at the time. When the issue came to my door with Jefferson's picture on the front cover with the baseless accusations, I called and canceled my subscription.
6 posted on 02/07/2007 3:32:03 PM PST by the_Watchman
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7 posted on 02/07/2007 3:37:57 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: flashbunny
"in 10 months it will be revealed that he is related to barack obama (who, by coincidence, is also related to George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Jesus Christ)"

Exactly!! This whole thing comes under the heading of "Who really gives a crap?"

8 posted on 02/07/2007 3:41:59 PM PST by davisfh
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To: the_Watchman
So, basically, it was simply more propaganda in order to justify a criminal being elected to the highest political position in the world? Gee... I would never have imagined
9 posted on 02/07/2007 3:45:44 PM PST by jcparks (Claire, I'm afraid its time)
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To: jcparks

Actually, when I read the headline, I thought the DBM found a way to link Cold Cash Jefferson, Demoncrat from Louisianna, to "It's Bush's fault"


10 posted on 02/07/2007 3:49:25 PM PST by jcparks (Claire, I'm afraid its time)
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To: the_Watchman

Good man for dumping USN&W!

In David Barton's book, "Original Intent: The Court, the Constitution and Religion," (www.wallbuilders.com), there is a section on Thomas Jefferson and the allegations of his fathering a child by Sally Hemmings (who was fathered by Thomas Jefferson's father-in-law). According to the book, there had been an Englishman who made up such horrible lies about people in England that he was banished to America. Once in America, the first person this man attacked was Thomas Jefferson. Because the allegations were false, Thomas Jefferson NEVER responded to them.


11 posted on 02/07/2007 4:04:29 PM PST by miss print
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To: blam
That is Mitochondrial Group K, and is a female lineage.

What you want is much further down the page, at M-70, Y-Chromosome Haplogroup K-2. That map does generally jibe with the article.

The list is NOT numerical, either; M-70 is way further down than some of the M-200 series. Go figure.

Thanks for the link.
12 posted on 02/07/2007 4:08:49 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: blam

When Jefferson was in Paris, he hired someone to trace his English ancestry. Even back then, there were folks peddling fake genealogies, so the Welch connection is somewhat tenuous. The Jefferson male line actually goes back to the little village of Pettistree, in Suffolk. Its not far from the city of Colchester, the oldest Roman city in Britain. One explanation for the Lebanon (Phoenician) halotype might be a Roman connection, Roman soldiers behaving much like American soldiers of World War II in England: Oversexed, Overpaid, and Over Here.


13 posted on 02/07/2007 4:10:41 PM PST by centurion316 (Democrats - Supporting Al Qaida Worldwide)
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To: ApplegateRanch
"What you want is much further down the page, at M-70, Y-Chromosome Haplogroup K-2. That map does generally jibe with the article."

Got it now. Thanks.

14 posted on 02/07/2007 4:33:51 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
My bet is on the Phoenicians -- they got to the British Isles and beyond.

Quite amazing really considering how large is the ocean and how small were their ships.
15 posted on 02/07/2007 5:00:38 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: the_Watchman
Not exactly baseless, though certainly unproven. Jefferson or a male relative of his certainly did father at least one of Sally Hemmings's children.

Jefferson's wife, Martha, died young and, per some accounts, had Jefferson swear that he would never marry again. Sally Hemmings was most likely Martha's half-sister. If there was a physical resemblance between the two, it would not be surprising if Jefferson had a relationship with Hemmings.

In any case, Clinton supporters hardly needed Jefferson. Grover Cleveland was elected President twice (and won the popular vote three times) despite acknowledging he had fathered a child out of wedlock. (Ironically, he may not have been the actual father, as the mother in question, got around, so to speak. However, he was the one of her lovers who took responsibility for providing child support.)

16 posted on 02/07/2007 5:18:12 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: BenLurkin
Quite amazing really considering how large is the ocean and how small were their ships.

Not to mention what sailors can do on a 3-day pass.

17 posted on 02/07/2007 5:20:44 PM PST by centurion316 (Democrats - Supporting Al Qaida Worldwide)
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To: blam
Great find--thanks for the post. And SunkenCiv and Martin Fierro--thanks for the ping.

I bet it's the Phoenician connection myself...

18 posted on 02/07/2007 5:41:53 PM PST by Pharmboy ([She turned me into a] Newt! in '08)
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To: blam

Arab Jihadist pirates from North Africa raided into Europe as late as the 1700's. Their religion allowed, er, encourages them to rape, murder and pillage. Some Welsh girl could have been raped and thereby passed on the rare gene.


19 posted on 02/07/2007 5:56:03 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Jabba the Hutt's bigger, meaner, uglier brother.)
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20 posted on 02/07/2007 9:29:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Saturday, February 3, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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