Rudy on gun control: "You've got to REGULATE consistent with the Second Amendment"

FOX News ^ | Feb 6, 2007 | Hanity and Colmes

[Jim Robinson]

HANNITY: Let me move on. And the issue of guns has come up a lot. When people talk about Mayor Giuliani, New York City had some of the toughest gun laws in the entire country. Do you support the right of people to carry handguns?

GIULIANI: I understand the Second Amendment. I support it. People have the right to bear arms. When I was mayor of New York, I took over at a very, very difficult time. We were averaging about 2,000 murders a year, 10,000...

HANNITY: You inherited those laws, the gun laws in New York?

GIULIANI: Yes, and I used them. I used them to help bring down homicide. We reduced homicide, I think, by 65-70 percent. And some of it was by taking guns out of the streets of New York City.

So if you're talking about a city like New York, a densely populated area like New York, I think it's appropriate. You might have different laws other places, and maybe a lot of this gets resolved based on different states, different communities making decisions. After all, we do have a federal system of government in which you have the ability to accomplish that.

HANNITY: So you would support the state's rights to choose on specific gun laws?

GIULIANI: Yes, I mean, a place like New York that is densely populated, or maybe a place that is experiencing a serious crime problem, like a few cities are now, kind of coming back, thank goodness not New York, but some other cities, maybe you have one solution there and in another place, more rural, more suburban, other issues, you have a different set of rules.

HANNITY: But generally speaking, do you think it's acceptable if citizens have the right to carry a handgun?

GIULIANI: It's not only -- I mean, it's part of the Constitution. People have the right to bear arms. Then the restrictions of it have to be reasonable and sensible. You can't just remove that right. You've got to regulate, consistent with the Second Amendment.

HANNITY: How do you feel about the Brady bill and assault ban?

GIULIANI: I was in favor of that as part of the crime bill. I was in favor of it because I thought that it was necessary both to get the crime bill passed and also necessary with the 2,000 murders or so that we were looking at, 1,800, 1,900, to 2,000 murders, that I could use that in a tactical way to reduce crime. And I did.

[ozarkgirl]

Thanks for the post on 2nd amendment rights. I am behind NOT voting for a gun grabber as President....Ever!! Don't even care if he dresses like a girl, personal preference and all but I will never vote for someone who would take the backbone away from America.

[dirtboy]

Gawd, you are a colossal waste of bandwidth.

The critical numbers here are 51 and 67. It is quite possible to get a gun control to the Oval Office desk with RINO support, which negates a filibuster.

So the critical issue is, will it be vetoed or signed? Which makes this a 51-67 issue.

Goodnight, JUCO bait.

[Peach]

Hello? When some man says he's going to flog me because I like Rudy and then he calls in support from the forum owner, you bet I'm going to call him a weenie metrosexual.

And I will wait while you find one single post I made to a freeper that I thought they were extreme because they supported the 2nd amendment or were pro life. Just one will do.

[Jet Jaguar]

I appreciate you chiming in. Some here, just don't see it.

[SJackson]

A good, well informed post, particularly for someone who's last name is bunny :>)

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

can you actually address what he did, or you think making a "clever" remark will make everyone forget what RUDY actually did?

They were already addressed on the previous Rudy threads.

Why bring them up again, to only respond to your same circular arguments in the next 1,000+ Rudy thread.

[EternalVigilance]

"In choosing a president, we really don't choose a Republican or Democrat, a conservative or liberal. We choose a leader." - Rudy Giuliani

[garv]

I saw when it was from, so what? Giuliani told Hannity his position on gay marriage "is what I've always believed". You keep posting that he was "number three man in the Reagan justice department", that was 25 years ago.

He is an attorney, he was a federal prosecutor, he was "the number three man in the Reagan justice department", but I'm supposed to believe that he had no understanding of second amendment rights then, but he has "evolved" and now he does.

Sure, and I've got a lightly used bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

[MichiganConservative]

I'll let you guys in on a little secret... I kind of like the National Firearms Act of 1934 and I'm not wholly opposed to the Gun Control Act of 1968. I like the fact that hoops must be jumped to purchase a fully-automatic weapon. I like the fact that if you try to purchase an arsenal capable of supplying a small army, people at the federal level will take interested notice. This is partly due to the fact that I don't trust Muslims, yet they are still entitled to the full range of Constitutional rights, and if a group of young, devoutly religious male Muslim Americans started accumulating machine guns, I'd want questions asked. I think you would too.

Your reply #153.

There's not a lot of reason there except maybe "I fear muslims", but your desire for "hoops" - gun control - is based on that fear, an emotion.

I will not reply to you again. Do not talk to me again.

[unixfox]

RINO in the 1st degree. I will not vote for him even if he is the nominee.

I'm sick and tired of voting for someone that's not a conservative.

[afnamvet]

Guiliani's response regarding the Second Amendment should be an eye opener to everyone here.

Regulation of a Constituional Right is liberalspeak.

[flashbunny]

Really? Because all I see as defense of rudy is trying to change to subject to someone or something else.

How does that make you feel? I mean, knowing that the only way you can defend rudy is to either say he's not as bad as someone else, try to change the subject, or outright deny the plain facts of what he has done and said?

[ozarkgirl]

I would be very interested to see what a "real need for the weapon" would be.

How is a "real need" determined? Does the government decide if I have a "real need".

I have a need, my "need" is to make sure that I am ensured my 2nd amendment rights.

[I got the rope]

BTTT

[Eaker]

Get Rudy a good solid conservative Republican Congress to work with in 2008, and he'll never have the chance to not wield his veto pen on a gun control bill.

So I give my daughter a gun and I am no longer responsible for protecting the house?

Grab a clue.

[TeenagedConservative]

No it doesn't, and none of the Bill of Rights can or should be interpreted that way. For example, do you believe members of the public attending a murder trial have an absolute right to bring Uzis into the courtroom? Does a citizen have the right to bring a loaded high-powered rifle to a balcony overlooking a Presidential speech? Banning ALL restrictions is not a defensible position, and you would learn that if you tried to win your Supreme Court case by strapping on a flamethrower for oral argument.

You can't even bring cameras into some courtrooms, so that argument is irrelevant. Government property is totally different, and you seem pretty smart, so I'm surprised you would link the two.

So you are arguing that the Incorporation Doctrine should be reversed by SCOTUS and the Bill of Rights should only apply to Congress and not the States?

You mean should the Bill of Rights mean what it says? Yes.

The States have their own Constitutions. The Bill of Rights is for Congress.

That's a reasonable legal argument (albeit hopeless to overturn) -- but if you believe that, then what's the beef with Rudy? The laws he enforced were state laws and according to you not subject to the 2nd Amendment. That means RKBA does not exist if state lawmakers decide to ignore it.

That last sentence, if true, would nullify the entire Constitution. It's not "state lawmakers," it's state Constitutions.

[Peach]

Maybe Reagan didn't really evolve on abortion either given that he gave us to pro abort Supreme Court judges. See - two can play that game.

[MaxMax]

Dear Rudy:
I own several rifles, nine shotguns and many pistols.
Which of these do you plan to allow me to keep ?

Dear Eric,
Thank you for your question as I know this deeply concerns your rights
as an American, and I'll answer plainly. You may keep the BB-gun
as long as it's 2000ft away from any school yard.

Sincerely, Rudy Giuliani.

[Dog Gone]

Yes, you are right, Politicalities. It does not matter if the President wants to seize all weapons unless 60 Senators agree with him or her, and it survives the legal challenges.

dirtboy would only be right if a non gun-grabber President wanted to veto a bill by a gun-grabbing Congress.

Neither is going to happen no matter who we elect President, so it seems moot to me.

[alarm rider]

And you are a sunny optimist my friend, because this time is like no other.

PC, a leftist plague has infected us to the point of short return has turned the world upside down. We are not allowed anymore to win a war, tell the truth or defend ourselves without tons of explanation and loads of BS.

That is why we get a "Rudy" when we should have a Ronnie X 2 at this time in our history.

Personally, I am sick of POTUS politics which have become a "facade" media game. Rudy is a product, Hillary is a product and neither of them are worth my time. Give me someone to vote for, not someone to vote against. Inspire me, convince me, be a real American, not some PC media creation.

We had better get in touch with who we are and where we came from before it's way too late.