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No, Republicans are NOT okay with ripping human babies limb from limb!
National Right to Life ^ | Feb 14, 2003

Posted on 02/07/2007 1:18:11 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Key Facts on Partial-Birth Abortion

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In a partial-birth abortion, the abortionist pulls a living baby feet-first out of the womb and into the birth canal (vagina), except for the head, which the abortionist purposely keeps lodged just inside the cervix (the opening to the womb). The abortionist punctures the base of the baby’s skull with a surgical instrument, such as a long surgical scissors or a pointed hollow metal tube called a trochar. He then inserts a catheter (tube) into the wound, and removes the baby's brain with a powerful suction machine. This causes the skull to collapse, after which the abortionist completes the delivery of the now-dead baby.

The January 2003 Gallup poll found that 70% favored and 25% opposed “a law that would make it illegal to perform a specific abortion procedure conducted in the last six months of pregnancy known as ‘partial birth abortion,’ except in cases necessary to save the life of the mother.” (margin of error +/- 3%)

The term “partial-birth” is perfectly accurate. Under both federal law and most state laws, a “live birth” occurs when a baby is entirely expelled from the mother and shows any signs of life, however briefly -- regardless of whether the baby is “viable,” i.e., developed enough to be sustained outside the womb with neo-natal medical assistance. Even at 4½ months (20 weeks), perinatologists say that if a baby is expelled or removed completely from the uterus, she will usually gasp for breath and sometimes survive for hours, even though lung development is usually insufficient to permit successful sustained respiration until 23 weeks.

Some prominent defenders of partial-birth abortions, such as NARAL's Kate Michelman and syndicated columnist Ellen Goodman, insisted that anesthesia kills the babies before they are removed from the womb. This myth has been refuted by professional societies of anesthesiologists. In reality, the babies are alive and experience great pain when subjected to a partial-birth abortion. [Documentation on request.]


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; moralabsolutes; partialbirth; prolife
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To: william clark; Jim Robinson; All
You offered, "As I've pointed out on other threads, the procedure actually increases the risk to the mother, because the baby has to be in the breach position. ... The exceptions claimed by the pro-abortion spokespeople are out-and-out lies." Allow me to explore this a bit further, for the edification of fellow Freepers.

This heinous killing method was conceived to allow the serial killing aboritonists a means to slaughter the alive unborn in such a way as to prevent the 'loss of parts' that accompanied too hurried abortions where the alive unborn is under sixteen weeks old and prone to 'coming apart' when the aborticutionist pulled on the little one with metal forceps to remove the alive baby from the womb. Some abortuaries now advise a pregnant female to wait until she is more than sixteen weeks along in the pregnancy so that this method may be employed for killing and harvesting the alive unborn child. From approximately four weeks of age to ten to twelve weeks of age, the aborticutionists merely 'whip the womb contents' into mush and suck the remains out with a vacuum machine. Most abortion killing is done to alive little ones under the age of twelve weeks from conception.

An interesting thing occurred a few years back which made the new slaughtering method profitable ... fetal tissue banks were paying good money for 'body parts' in pristine condition for research programs and vaccine productions. The aborticutionists found that these tissue harvesting companies would pay for the rent and power bills at the abortuary (Congress passed a ban on these serial killers being paid directly for body parts of the recently alive unborn). An industry fired up that is now more than a billion dollars in commerce, sustained in large part because partial birth killing is legal and defended by the select Democrat Senators such as Boxer and Clinton, Harkin and Leahy, Lautenberg and Dodd. More than 15,000 partial birth infanticides now happen each year in America. There are big campaign dollars to be received from such tissue harvesters by such Senators as Boxer, Harkin, and Murray for defending this slaughter method.

In one of the most astonishingly demonic exchanges ever witnessed on the floor of the Senate, Senators Clinton and Boxer actually posed the notion that a woman going for an abortion has a right to a dead baby from her efforts! Even Senator Santorum found this remarkable, so much so that he had Boxer and Clinton repeat their defense of this notion!

Partial birth infanticide was begun to aid the abortionists, but it has become a major means for revenue support to abortion 'clinics' because the intact murdered infant is an excellent source of pristine tissues for research by such instituions as U of Kansas, U of Nebraska, U of North Carolina, Harvard, U of Washington, etcetera. This serial killing method is not just heinously painful to the alive unborn struggling child, it has become a source of money for abortionists AND select Democrat Senators and congress critters. One could say the democrat Party is now drenched in blood of the innocent, funded by the sale of their little murdered bodies. Mrs. Clinton's defense of the indefensible ought to remove any chance of her gaining Catholic votes, but sadly that is not the case because too many voting democrat are not aware of this service to evil.

81 posted on 02/07/2007 2:58:24 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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Its incredible that libtards who think highly of candle light protests over the execution of criminals convicted of heinous crimes think nothing of (or worse support) partial birth abortion murders carried out routinely across the country.
82 posted on 02/07/2007 3:00:51 PM PST by wodinoneeye
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To: JTHomes
Giuliani's statement was just a weasel-worded regurgitation of the pro-abortion talking points. There is no life or "health" exception needed. The procedure is never necessary to save the mother's life.

Quite frankly, I don't care if Rudy denounces PBA and vows to arrest and prosecute its practitioners. Early term abortions are equally gruesome and abhorrent. If a candidate fails to grasp or rejects the fundamental importance of this issue he is unfit for office under any circumstances.

83 posted on 02/07/2007 3:01:21 PM PST by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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To: Delphinium
Its very hard to act positively towards these rudy rabid freepers.

From what I've seen, they tend to be the first to sling insults around.

* Just like liberals *

For the most part, now I'm just laughing at them.

84 posted on 02/07/2007 3:01:42 PM PST by Enosh
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To: Jim Robinson
Anytime I read a description of a partial birth abortion, my skin crawls. How anyone in a supposed 'civilized' society could possibly defend such a grotesque act is beyond my comprehension.

May God have mercy on their souls - I sure wouldn't.
85 posted on 02/07/2007 3:03:00 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Every time a jihadist dies, an angel gets its wings.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you, Jim. I am 35 weeks pregnant with our third baby and it is unimaginable to me to take this little one kicking me now and yank it out feet first to kill it.

Feminists have built up quite a nice, convincing argument that it is all about "control" -- that no one else should have "control" over a woman's body except for that woman...and for a while, early on, I believed that mythology. Then, it struck me that women do have control if they would only exercise it....by saying no.

Yet too many young women still believe that equality lies somehow behind a bedroom door...never quite understanding that biology trumps that little pipe dream.

It disturbs me, Jim, that so many innocents have been sacrificed on the altar of convenience or at the hand of a well-circulated set of myths.


86 posted on 02/07/2007 3:04:09 PM PST by ConservativeGadfly
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To: BearWash

It is not partial birth abortion it is partial birth infanticide.


87 posted on 02/07/2007 3:04:25 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: xmission
[ .. Unbelievable that God doesn't strike us down for allowing this to happen at all. I don't think there is anything more ghastly, and those that defend this are pure filth. ..]

The week is not over yet..

88 posted on 02/07/2007 3:04:37 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Salvation
What would you think of a

Huckabee/southern governor for P and

Gingrich/intellectual for VP

**************

Huckabee looks all right, although I think I like Hunter better.

I looked up Gingrich here:

http://www.ontheissues.org/GA/Newt_Gingrich.htm

and found that he has no stance there with regard to abortion.

That concerns me.

90 posted on 02/07/2007 3:12:16 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Jim Robinson
>>>>My candidate, whomever he may be, will be one who will naturally and unapologetically use the bully pulpit to speak out against Roe vs Wade and against the evil practice of killing innocent human life in the womb by any means... or he won't be my candidate.

You're on fire today. Woohoo!

91 posted on 02/07/2007 3:14:23 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't vote for liberals.)
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To: ConservativeGadfly

Great post-and congratulations!


92 posted on 02/07/2007 3:15:30 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Enosh

I have been laughing, but today I feel sick about it.


93 posted on 02/07/2007 3:17:43 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: garv

Yeah, I amended my earlier comment confessing my ignorance to Giuliani's strong support of infanticide. I thought he was giving lip service to appear more centrist, but looks like he really thinks any abortion is okay. Between these revelations and my new found knowledge of the extent of his support for gun control, I find myself still waiting for a candidate that gets it. Maybe Newt will get in later this year.


94 posted on 02/07/2007 3:20:24 PM PST by JTHomes
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To: Jim Robinson
We the People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
95 posted on 02/07/2007 3:23:00 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: Gelato; Taxman; Ladycalif; Waywardson; Broadside

ping...


96 posted on 02/07/2007 3:24:33 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: ConservativeGadfly
Feminists have built up quite a nice, convincing argument that it is all about "control" -- that no one else should have "control" over a woman's body except for that woman.

Women do have control over their bodies. It's the baby's body that should be kept from harm. It's not a womens body insider her, it is her baby's body, a new person. There is no doubt about this, but the spin persists.
97 posted on 02/07/2007 3:24:43 PM PST by xmission
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To: JTHomes
......the President's main influence is on which Judges get appointed, and he is on record supporting candidates like Thomas and Scalia. Reagan, Bush, and Bush were pro life presidents and it seems abortions are more common than ever. Just trying to think big picture here.....

Ummmmmmm....not quite. We need a pro-life president to use the office as a bully pulpit to push the pro-life agenda. A president can also impact Congressional actions, like defunding abortion and groups that sponsor abortion (Planned Parenthood).

Pro-life Presidents can have a positive effect on this issue in countlesss ways. Clearly, Giuliani would surround himself with pro-abortionists---these are the people he would be listening to.

Please don't buy into the pro-abort propaganda that there's "more" abortions under pro-life presidents (not true at all), so we should ditch pro-life standards and elect somebody who is pro-abortion (as if that will reduce abortions).

98 posted on 02/07/2007 3:25:16 PM PST by Liz (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but to test a man's character, give him power. Abe Lincoln)
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To: hosepipe

Amen


99 posted on 02/07/2007 3:25:21 PM PST by xmission
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To: garv; JTHomes
Giuliani's statements on abortion now have to taken with a grain of salt, since he's discovered he can't win without pro-lifers.

As Mayor, Giuliani used every oppportunity to advance the pro-abortion agenda EVEN THOUGH HE HAD NO LEGISLATIVE MANDATE TO DO SO. Giuliani thumbed his nose at pro-lifers time and time again. Read on:

(A) From the FEC database: NEW YORK STATE NARAL INC WOMEN'S HEALTH POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE 04/24/1999 DONATIONS

(B) Giuliani accepted $1,000 from NARAL in 1999. NARAL donated exclusively to Democrat candidates with one exception----Rudy Giuliani.

(C) NARAL gave $250 to Hillary Rodham Clinton and $1000--- 4 times as much-----to pro-abortion Giuliani.

(D) Clearly, NARAL trusted Rudy's pro-abortion credentials, and Rudy's willingness to advance NARAL's radical abortion-on-demand agenda, even more than NARAL trusted Hillary.

(E) Rudy was the honored guest speaker and made The Opening Remarks to the N.A.R.A.L. "Champions of Choice" Luncheon few years back.

(F) Rudy declared his unwavering support for partial birth abortions (read infanticide).

(G) Rudy told Phil Donahue he'd give his daughter the money for an abortion (to get rid of his own grandchild).

100 posted on 02/07/2007 3:32:35 PM PST by Liz (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but to test a man's character, give him power. Abe Lincoln)
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