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Game over on global warming?
Los Angeles Times ^ | 02/05/2007 | Alan Zarembo

Posted on 02/05/2007 8:53:45 PM PST by HarryCaul

verybody in the United States could switch from cars to bicycles.

The Chinese could close all their factories.

Europe could give up electricity and return to the age of the lantern.

But all those steps together would not come close to stopping global warming.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climatechange; globalwarming; kyoto; wereallgonnadie
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To: HarryCaul

I don't understand why so many people care about global warning. Who doesn't like warm weather?


21 posted on 02/05/2007 9:12:03 PM PST by BamaGirl (The Framers Rule!)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Here's an excerpt from an LA times story from June 24, 2006:

Greenland's Ice Sheet Is Slip Sliding Away
By Robert Lee Hotz
The Los Angeles Times

Saturday 24 June 2006

The massive glaciers are deteriorating twice as fast as they were five years ago.....

..... Even after a lifetime of study, the raffish NASA glaciologist with a silver dolphin in one pierced ear was dismayed by how quickly the breakup had occurred.

.... Should all of the ice sheet ever thaw, the meltwater could raise sea level 21 feet and swamp the world's coastal cities, home to a billion people. It would cause higher tides, generate more powerful storm surges and, by altering ocean currents, drastically disrupt the global climate.

Climate experts have started to worry that the ice cap is disappearing in ways that computer models had not predicted.

......From cores of ancient Greenland ice extracted by the National Science Foundation, researchers have identified at least 20 sudden climate changes in the last 110,000 years, in which average temperatures fluctuated as much as 15 degrees in a single decade.

The increasingly erratic behavior of the Greenland ice has scientists wondering whether the climate, after thousands of years of relative stability, may again start oscillating...................


22 posted on 02/05/2007 9:15:20 PM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: stillonaroll
Global warming...brought to you by the folks who gave us Darwinism.

Sorry, that happens not to be the case for several reasons.

23 posted on 02/05/2007 9:15:26 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: coconutt2000
..So what are we supposed to do, exactly?...

Insulation and air conditioning, don't you think?
24 posted on 02/05/2007 9:15:38 PM PST by true_blue_texican (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked

""I thought that my sarcasm was quite obvious.""

It was but I just want everyone to know. I suppose I should grow a sense of humor about this whole debate because it does'nt do any good to be serious about it.

As a person with a hard science background it's tough to see such a mockery made of science for the sake of politics.

Sorry if I was cranky in my response. People need to know the truth. I had a huge argument with two libs today in my office and I kept stating facts regarding global warming and they continued parroting "what if" answers.

I laughed and told them I said the same thing about Iraq.

What if Saddam had WMD and gave them to terrorists?

They said that was different???? Go figure!


25 posted on 02/05/2007 9:16:18 PM PST by volunbeer (Dear heaven.... we really need President Reagan again!)
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To: geopyg

Didn't Greenland used to be Green Land....


26 posted on 02/05/2007 9:17:25 PM PST by TASMANIANRED
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To: HarryCaul

How are the global warming nuts going to explain the current deep freeze in the East and Midwest? Oh, I know. Back in 1965 they were warning about global cooling. It must have finally arrived.


27 posted on 02/05/2007 9:17:34 PM PST by vox humana
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To: HarryCaul

It's cold in Florida right now.


28 posted on 02/05/2007 9:17:41 PM PST by Beowulf
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To: coconutt2000
Global Warming Grammer school

Ok , Class sez teacher Steve Lets prove how global warming is going to flood us out.

Step 1. Take a large drinking glass and fill it with ice cubes to represent the ice bergs
Step 2. fill the glass to the top with water (all the way to the top with a water bubble)
Step 3. Increase the air temp in the room
Step 4. Note the time it takes for the frozen water to melt and overflow the glass

send me an email and tell me the results
29 posted on 02/05/2007 9:21:30 PM PST by Foolsgold (after all we got Daschel)
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To: HarryCaul

If bullsh*t were bullion, the streets of earth would be paved with gold.


30 posted on 02/05/2007 9:21:32 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: geopyg

Oops - meant to comment. Two things that I see. They don't know diddly using their models, and 20 severe changes over 110,000 years means my SUV didn't cause it.

That said, I think the way to go about this "problem" is - if we can actually predict that there will be long-term warming is to adapt to the warmer weather rathing that trying to change it.

And adapt we will - but how soon or how late will affect a lot of people.


31 posted on 02/05/2007 9:23:55 PM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: Foolsgold

Only trouble is the ice on greenland and most of it on Antartica are on land - so if it melts it WOULD fill up the glass.


32 posted on 02/05/2007 9:26:10 PM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: HarryCaul
So what are we supposed to do, exactly?

Well, for me, every time I hear the words, "Global Warming," I lose about three pounds.

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33 posted on 02/05/2007 9:27:07 PM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: coconutt2000
Don't build a house below sea level? Just a suggestion...

I'm gonna move here. The view is better.

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34 posted on 02/05/2007 9:29:42 PM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Foolsgold
send me an email and tell me the results

The ice on Greenland is on land, not in the water. Melt that and you wouldn't want to be living in Venice or some low-lying Pacific Islands.

But global warming has been occurring for some 15,000 years--we used to have a few thousand feet of ice over Seattle and along the northern portions of the US. Ever see the long, linear landforms on the coast of Maine? They were caused by glaciers.

The debate should not be about whether global warming is occurring--we have had a sea level rise of about 400 feet in the past 15,000 years. The debate should be about the cause, and whether anything can be done about it.

My opinion? Fluctuations of the sun are the cause, and we can't do very much about it. That's why we have the same type of global warming reported for Mars and Titan.

35 posted on 02/05/2007 9:30:04 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: HarryCaul

Stop farting or breathing.


36 posted on 02/05/2007 9:30:08 PM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: HarryCaul

37 posted on 02/05/2007 9:32:39 PM PST by D-Chivas
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To: volunbeer
This statement is misleading and false.

And here's why:

TABLE 3.

Role of Atmospheric Greenhouse Gases
(man-made and natural) as a % of Relative
Contribution to the "Greenhouse Effect"

Based on concentrations (ppb) adjusted for heat retention characteristics Percent of Total  Percent of Total --adjusted for water vapor
 Water vapor  -----  95.000%
 Carbon Dioxide (CO2) 72.369%   3.618%
 Methane (CH4) 7.100%   0.360%
Nitrous oxide (N2O) 19.000%   0.950%
 CFC's (and other misc. gases) 1.432%   0.072%
 Total 100.000%   100.000%
______________________

See, the trick is to leave out water vapor. It's called manipulating the data to support your hypothesis.

And our contribution to CO2? Here's info on that:

Source

38 posted on 02/05/2007 9:33:01 PM PST by Reaganesque
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To: ClaireSolt

True. Too bad these clowns never took a sixth grade science class. As for CO2, the more there is, the more photosynthesis occurs. And 80-90% of that is through the oceans and lakes.


39 posted on 02/05/2007 9:33:03 PM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Reaganesque

exactly....

We'll even round it up to 4% for manmade CO2 if they will only admit the water vapor.


40 posted on 02/05/2007 9:41:44 PM PST by volunbeer (Dear heaven.... we really need President Reagan again!)
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