LIVE THREAD: Rudy on H&C

[Howlin]

On right now...

[onyx]

Maybe we can have some spam from last century to refute what he said tonight.

[oceanview]

Normal Seigel and the ACLU were in court challenging every single thing he tried to do. you can see his contempt for that judge in that short quote.

here's another issue - Rudy on Elian Gonzales:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/04/25/elian.campaign/index.html

"Meanwhile, New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani's continued assertions that the INS agents engaged in "storm trooper" tactics drew a sharp response from his Senate rival, first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, who called the remarks "extreme and unwarranted."

Beginning shortly after Saturday's raid, the Republican mayor said the immigration agents had "trampled the wishes of his mother ... with guns and with storm troopers."

On Sunday, Giuliani again referred to the agents as "storm troopers, saying that he "couldn't imagine that something like this could happen in America."

are these the words of a liberal? really, I ask any of the Rudy critics here. not that there aren't legitimate issues regarding Rudy, but would a liberal make the statement above?

[Enosh]

Now where's the voting record?

In laws he signed or didn't.

(I did provide a link, yes?)

[pinz-n-needlez]

Thanks, PhiKapMom. :-)

Did you get this, Rheo?

[Cobra64]

I am with you -- he articulated very well where he stood on the issues which went right over the head of some of the anti-Rudy crowd on here.

I was impressed!

Ditto that. And some of the bashers here never even heard him tonight. They remind me of some of my neighbors who just recite "Bush Sucks."

[BunnySlippers]

Go for it. Anything posted is fair game. ;)

[nopardons]

GOD only knows what she REALLY meant! LOL

[My GOP]

Yes, it settled alot. It certainly settled the fact that some particular chart going around has many inaccuracies.

[narses]

The Real Rudy Giuliani:

From Human Events:

Rudy's Strong Pro-Abortion Stance

As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.

I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...

Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.

Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."

Worse yet, Giuliani even supports partial birth abortion:

"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999

It's bad enough that Rudy is so adamantly pro-abortion, but consider what that could mean when it comes time to select Supreme Court Justices. Does the description of Giuliani that you've just read make you think he's going to select an originalist like Clarence Thomas, who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- or does it make you think he would prefer justices like Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who'd leave Roe v. Wade in place?

Rudy's abortion stance is bad news for conservatives who are pro-life or who are concerned about getting originalist judges on the Supreme Court.

An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate

In the last couple of election cycles, 2nd Amendment issues have moved to the back burner mainly because even Democratic candidates have learned that being tagged with the "gun grabber" label is political poison.

Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.

Do Republicans really want to abandon their strong 2nd Amendment stance by selecting a pro-gun control nominee?

[HitmanLV]

His signature on legislation isn't a vote.

The link you provided doesn't show a voting record.

[SJackson]

I've forgotten, at the time, was there a legal reason, or was it simply her choice.

[PhiKapMom]

but Rudy is a lot easier to take than some of the bottom-feeders out there.

Isn't that the truth? I agree with everything you have said. Personally I prefer Rudy because of his strong stance on the WOT and his clear articulation that Iraq is not the end of the WOT and how they want to kill us.

[TShaunK]

(Boy, he calls them as he sees them! Good for him. Maybe some of this PC-ness will become a thing of the past in his administration"

Rudy always tells it like it is.

That is why the slimeball libs hated him in NY.

Rudy stood up to the race baiters, pornographers, drug dealers, criminals and media.

This man will never waiver in the War on Islamic Fascists.

He is the man who will never forget 9/11 and will never allow the world to forget it.

I am very surprised at the overwhelmingly positive comments here on FR.

If he can make it here, he'll make it anywhere.

I feel more positive now about '08 than I've ever felt.

I will contribute to and volunteer to work in his campaign.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!

GOD BLESS OUR COURAGEOUS PRESIDENT!

GODSPEED TO RUDY!)

My sentiments exactley....Go Rudy!.You got my vote and anything I can do for your campaign.
He is the only one that can keep the the Arkansasn grifters from re pillaging the WH and the country.

[BunnySlippers]

Did you see this from earlier?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5BdQksrkQw&eurl=

[narses]

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue	Giuliani	Clinton	Dem Platform	GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion	Supports Opposed NY ban	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Roe v. Wade	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Defined at state level	Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Openly Gay Military	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Supports bans	Supports
Confiscating Guns	Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged.	Supports	Supports Supports bans	Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban	Supports	Supports	Supports
Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers	Supports Filed One Himself	Supports		Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses	Supports	Supports		Opposes
War in Afghanistan	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports	Supports
War in Iraq	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports Weak support	Supports
Patriot Act	Supports	Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006	Opposes	Supports

"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it.
Rudy Giuliani

[PhiKapMom]

And some of the spam posting being done by the same people is declared null and void IMO! :)

[My GOP]

Gee, I've never saw this before.

[narses]

While he was the “Republican Mayor” of New York City he appointed more than 60 men and women to the Civil, Criminal, and Family Court benchs. In all of those judicial appointment not one of them was a Republican.

All of his judical appointments were either registered Liberals or registered Democrats. As the “Republican Mayor” he had appointment power over more than 70 full commissioners in more than 50 City agencies, yet at no time during his administration did REPUBLICANS account for more than 10% of those appointments.

He even appointed Chuck Schumers wife as the City’s Department of Transportation Commissioner.


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[oceanview]

we have a state based system now, it's unconstitutional?

[narses]

Glad to help.