LIVE THREAD: Rudy on H&C

[Howlin]

On right now...

[jwalsh07]

No idea. Personally I think that is where President Bush made his biggest mistake. His pronouncements on the dangers from the islamonuts, which he is right about, and his willingness to leave the southern border porous simply dissuaded many that the threat was serious and continues to do so till this day. If Americans were on a war footing at our borders they would be more involved in and likely to support the theatres beyond our borders. That's my take.

[HonestConservative]

Trying reading your post and then mine again.

You said that second tear candidates can't win a party's nomination because time has passed. I said, with sarcasm, that I guess that good men shouldn't try.

We need conservatives to fight for nominations at every level all over the country. If only those folks who have been anointed by the media as worthy are considered viable, then what are we going to get?

You are entitled to your opinion, and I applaud it. That does not mean I am obligated to follow you. I voted straight Pubbie last time. Does that make you feel better? So if you manage to get your guy nominated, then you've done well. Would you refuse to vote for a conservative nominee?

[nopardons]

That explains it then. LOL

[BunnySlippers]

Stay tuned. That is all I heard ... perhaps others heard more.

But I understand Rudy is preparing to settle the concerns of gunowners ...of which I am one.

[Enosh]

What a barf fest this has been to see so many freepers falling for Rudy.

[Mo1]

He said we don't have the CHOICE...we can't decide if we want to stop the war...THEY are at war with US...THEY are the ones that decided this.

He's right on that

[narses]

Rudy Guiliani has marched in lockstep with liberals on affirmative action, gay rights, gay marriage, gun control, school prayer, tuition tax credits, liberal immigration policies, and he's reinforced it, time and time again. Just about everytime Rudy opens his mouth, offensive liberal words come pouring out. As Mayor, Rudy put liberals in high-paid city jobs, an indication what a Rudy WH would look like. Here then is Rudy in his own words:

--The New York State Liberal Party on its endorsement of Rudy Giuliani for Mayor: "When the Liberal Party Policy Committee reviewed a list of key social issues of deep concern to progressive New Yorkers, we found that Rudy Giuliani agreed with the Liberal Party's stance on a majority of such issues. He agreed with the Liberal Party's views on affirmative action, gay rights, gun control, school prayer and tuition tax credits. As Mayor, Rudy Giuliani would uphold the Constitutional and legal rights to abortion." N.Y.S. Liberal Party Endorsement Statement of Candidate Giuliani for Mayor of New York City April 8, 1989

--On the Republican Party: "Mr. Rockefeller represented 'a tradition in the Republican Party' I've worked hard to re-kindle - the Rockefeller, Javits, Lefkowitz tradition." Rudy Giuliani told the New York Times July 9, 1992

--Village Voice Interview with Guiliani: He was asked: "What kind of Republican Is [Giuliani]? A Reagan Republican?" Giuliani pauses before answering: "I'm a Republican." Village Voice January 24, 1989

--On Attending 1996 Republican Convention: Rudy expressed his pleasure when he wasn't invited to the Republican National Convention in San Diego. "If I take three or four days off from city business, I want to do it for a substantive purpose. It didn't seem to me any substantive purpose could be served by going to the Republican convention." said Rudy. Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Page 459, by Wayne Barrett

--On Barry Goldwater: Giuliani described John Kennedy as "great and brilliant. Barry Goldwater as an "incompetent, confused and sometimes idiotic man." New York Daily News, May 13, 1997

--On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.

--The Daily News quoted Giuliani as saying March 1996: "Whether you talk about President Clinon, Senator Dole.... The country would be in very good hands in the hands of any of that group." An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.

[RebelBanker]

I mentioned Newt earlier and ashamed to admit that I did not even think of the great man I supported for Senate last year - Michael Steele.

Let's see...
Dyed-in-the-wool conservative, Catholic, opposes abortion and the death penalty, great speaker, but has never won elective office, probably too "Northeastern" to balance the ticket that way, African-American (which has its pros and cons).

Overall, I think Steele would be a great choice for VP, but probably not so great as a VP candidate on the Guiliani ticket.

[angcat]

She has his FBI file.

[narses]

The Real Rudy Giuliani:

From Human Events:

Rudy's Strong Pro-Abortion Stance

As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.

I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...

Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.

Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."

Worse yet, Giuliani even supports partial birth abortion:

"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999

It's bad enough that Rudy is so adamantly pro-abortion, but consider what that could mean when it comes time to select Supreme Court Justices. Does the description of Giuliani that you've just read make you think he's going to select an originalist like Clarence Thomas, who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- or does it make you think he would prefer justices like Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who'd leave Roe v. Wade in place?

Rudy's abortion stance is bad news for conservatives who are pro-life or who are concerned about getting originalist judges on the Supreme Court.

An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate

In the last couple of election cycles, 2nd Amendment issues have moved to the back burner mainly because even Democratic candidates have learned that being tagged with the "gun grabber" label is political poison.

Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.

Do Republicans really want to abandon their strong 2nd Amendment stance by selecting a pro-gun control nominee?

[DocH]

Rudy sounds like he has George W Nixon's speech impediment - he can't say the word, "amnesty."

Yeah, but he can sure say his newly concocted word, "REGULARIZATION".

What about "THE RULE OF LAWR", RINO-rudy?

[Howlin]

Well, for once we agree; he is more likeable than your ass.

[calcowgirl]

What I heard was that he supports Local gun laws... he said something about situations being different in different areas... that what might be good in a populated area might not be needed in more suburban areas.

Hopefully, a transcript will be available.

[nopardons]

Your wishful thinking will NOT make it so.

There are none so blind, as those who will not see and you fall into that category; in spades.

[BunnySlippers]

When you drop out, 3 more will replace you.

[Reagan Man]

Even with all the softball questions Hannity was tossing to Rudy, America;s Mayor he was holding back and rightfully so. He doesn't want to tick off everyone out of the box. Speaking of softballs. After a while, thought I was watching Larry King interview Rudy. LOL Sean Hannity is a sell out. He is a RINO lover. First Ahnold and now Rudy. Pathetic.

[HitmanLV]

George Will likes Rudy! ;-)

[sissyjane]

>>I'm just happy that we oldsters are here, with our bookmarks, ready to go after her.

Remember what Barbara Olson said, "HELL TO PAY!"<<

OMG!!! I'm an oldster???? ...and I don't have bookmarks, but I'll do everything to keep Hillary out!!!

[PhiKapMom]

ROFLOL! That was funny. I enjoy hearing someone articulate with rapid fire so I don't have to sit here and wait for the next word.

[narses]

Soft on Gay Marriage

Other than tax cuts, the biggest domestic issue of the 2004 election was President Bush's support of a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as being between a man and a woman. Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani has taken a "Kerryesque" position on gay marriage.

Although Rudy, like John Kerry, has said that marriage should remain between a man and a woman, he also supports civil unions, "marched in gay-pride parades" ...dressed up in drag on national television for a skit on Saturday Night Live (and moved in with a) wealthy gay couple" after his divorce. He also very vocally opposed running on a gay marriage amendment:

His thoughts on the gay-marriage amendment? "I don't think you should run a campaign on this issue," he told the Daily News earlier this month. "I think it would be a mistake for anybody to run a campaign on it -- the Democrats, the president, or anybody else."

Here's more from the New York Daily News:

"Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage.

The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.

"I don't think it's ripe for decision at this point," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani..."

Although Rudy may grudgingly say he doesn't support gay marriage (and it would be political suicide for him to do otherwise), where he really stands on the issue is an open question.