Posted on 02/05/2007 4:55:12 PM PST by Jim Robinson
When the members of the Republican party betray the sound conservative principles of its founders and its own longstanding party platform and then vote in a leader whose personal beliefs and public record are more in line with those of the degenerate socialist Democrat party, then obviously the Republican party is sliding to the left. When large numbers of the members of a conservative party enthusiastically (you might even say overzealously or militantly) campaign for a social liberal and against sound conservative principles and candidates, then they are pushing the conservative principles, conservative candidates and conservative members out the exit doors.
Should the large number of members militantly campaigning for a socialist liberal for the presidency win out, and the only choices presented to the electorate by the two major political parties both share identical immoral socialist liberal ideologies, and the voter is left with voting for a socialist or a socialist, then obviously the resultant elected government will be a socialist government.
When the Republican Party abandons its conservative principles and abandons its fight against encroaching socialism, then obviously it is no longer a conservative party and we no longer have a major party fighting for traditional American values and against socialism.
When the American people abandon their longstanding traditional conservative family values and instead openly embrace socialism and perverted lifestyles, then America has moved left and is obviously no longer a traditional conservative nation.
When and if the American people abandon their traditional Judeo-Christian morality and traditional American conservative values, and instead opt for corrupt godless liberal/socialist immorality and perversion as the norm, then obviously America will have lost its way.
America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. The Founding Fathers warned us that our style of Republican government would only work for a moral society. When and if we as a nation turn our backs on God and the nation abandons our American traditional Judeo-Christian morals and values, and rampant godless socialism takes over, the America of our Founders ceases to exist.
You can spin it, twist it, deny it, make a million excuses and logical explanations for why electing a social liberal at this time is a good idea, but you cannot deny the simple truth. A social liberal is a liberal and liberals begat liberalism. Liberalism begats socialism. Our nation was founded on the self-evident truth that our unalienable rights come from God. Socialists deny God exists. Socialists say our rights come from men in government robes. What men in government robes give, other men in government robes can take away. Without God we have no unalienable rights. No unalienable rights means no freedom. No freedom means no America.
Why do you believe Ron Paul wouldn't defend the Constitution or vote from a Christian perspective? I'm not being argumentative, I just haven't kept track of him since the 70s and at that time through the early 80's he had always struck me as one of the few conservative statemen out there.
I know he tended to be non-interventionist, but not necessarily opposed to foward based defense strategies.
I also haven't kept tabs on his faith,...is he not Christian?
What did the baby do to deserve death?
I mean if we can in effect legally reduce abortions by 97% but not outright have a zero tolerance no matter what...
You know very well that abortions will not be reduced ninety percent when (a) the health of the mother, and (b) rape, incest, abuse, extreme heath are allowed as valid excuses. These (a) & (b) are two giant loopholes to allow abortion. The same reasoning is used here as in medicinal marijuana.
Quite true.
This large swath of voters just voted in Democrats because Republicans did a horrible job in conveying their message. They completely forgot the bread-and-butter economic & trade, and free market issues that used to be the mainstay of the party.
We have become a nation of short-term thinkers. Financial trainwrecks are on the way and neither party has the testicles to deal with it. Neither party has the cojones to tell the American people that they can't actually get everything for free by soaking the evil rich.
Unless and until the populace embraces a longer term view, there will be no political will to fix anything beyond "the minimum wage."
I have no idea about his faith, but I'm pretty sure he votes with the democrats regarding the war. I'd rather we fight the Islamic jihadis over there instead of having them here blowing themselves up at our shopping malls, weddings and pizza parlors and or importing dirty bombs or other WMD to set off in our cities. We should stay and keep killing them as long as they keep sending them in.
Perhaps, but the 'Rats took no positions (other than being anti-Bush) so they could not be questioned on anything. That is partly how they won.
Conservative Manifesto for 2008
Have reread my post at 105 and I still have no clue what you're going on about. If you clarify, perhaps I can ponder your point more fruitfully.
Sorry, but abortion "rights," gay "rights," 1st and 2nd amendment issues, and the SCOTUS are not 0.01% issues. We're talking about mainstay issues of the conservative movement.
So sorry that social liberals put so little value on issues that are near and dear to the hearts of conservatives.
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But actually, Jim, God making ONE of those issues HIS concern . . . is sufficient for me.
In the modern world, the USA NEEDS God's favor vs His disfavor.
All the more so with the demonic moon god Jihadi's out to destroy us.
imho.
Sensible points.
But I still loathe nose plugs and hazmat suits to vote.
Yeah, Shrillery is worse than Guillani. Both are committed Machiavellian socialist globalist traitors.
One would rush us into the globalist government at the speed of light and the other slower.
Slower is probably better for more people than faster. But both are straight-lines to hell.
I don't think you can be half pregnant.
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And the DIMRATS and RINOS seem to be proving that one can't be a
HALF-PATRIOT either.
And there's a horrendous hiding from true, wide public discussion of true information and stats about the effects on the mother for years to come.
Don't forget the fathers. There are men out there who helped or encouraged their girlfriends into getting abortions. Many of these men did so at a young age, and their views have changed, today. But these men do experience remorse that lasts for a lifetime.
And often, they suffer in silence, never mentioning this mistake in their past. That gives them no outlet, and I wonder how they deal with it quietly.
It's easy to say that men are stronger and they don't feel things as acutely as women do.
But in this instance, it is probable that the men see this as their abandoment and death of their own child. And they must live with the long-term affects of abortion for the rest of their lives.
I think that's enormously correct.
But you left out men who did NOT want an aortion and had ABSOLUTELY 0.00000% CHOICE in the matter.
Their grief has to be even greater, in some respects, from the frustration and helplessness.
But, yeah, the guilt grief can be intense lifelong.
Good point. Thx.
Great seeing you BTW. God's best to you and yours.
I asked the question though because that nuance highlights a huge chasm in the Republican ranks.
You have on one hand the absolute zero side, no nothing not ever, and on the other one that says, from time to time... a rare time to time... but that it should be allowed.
The taxpayer funded part though is crap from whatever angle.
I didn't mean that these were insignificant issues.
I mean that people who essentially agree on them still can start some pretty impressive fussing - and then splitting - on some fine point.
In contrast, the Left will back anyone who claims their big issues. (Monica was worth abortion to the NOW women, for example.) And they invariably count our disagreements as their "mandates."
I wish we could agree to fight together against the opponents, instead of requiring "our side" to agree on every single word and punctuation mark - we can work those out after we protect the unborn, the family, and our homess.
That's a load of bull! As partial birth abortions take place in the later term - why not just induce birth & hope for the baby's survival? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO - partial birth abortion is all about making sure the baby DOESN'T survive!!!
It is as vile & evil of a procedure that I can imagine - comparable to something Hitler's doctors would come up with. I could NEVER support a candidate that doesn't see the evil in that.
You can call it a minor issue - I call it the difference between life or death.
I suspect I would interpret Ron Paul's vote on the war to be extremely independent of the democrats, especially socialist democrats, although the yea/nea might coincide with their effort. Instead, if his vote wasn't on the same side as Republicans vs Democrats, it should be a firm indicator that the cause for the vote had not been well made to him. If one could label it a fault, he has always had a tendency to vote his own volition according to his rational perception rather than any shape or form of group voting. His perspective, when I knew him, was that he voted the same way he felt others should vote, in order for our government to function properly. Accordingly, if others didn;t vote with him, he believed that if they were voting ethically, they also would vote their conscience. I acknowledge gamesmanship and mob psychology have prevailed over mature wherewithal amongst many liberals, resulting in many conservatives reacting by following suit.
DO WHAT YOU WANT. But if a Dem is elected, I don't want to see you on this forum bitching and moaning. I will be keeping a list of the people who say they won't be voting for the Republican.
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If only that were so. Unfortunately, a Hillary presidency would be far, far worse.
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