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For more background information as to why it is so important to include the local costs see: Legislation: Immigrants - Do they help or hurt Utah?. By omitting local costs (to government) and looking solely at state costs, results are skewed in favor of illegal immigrant activists - I believe that is what the State Senator will attempt.

1 posted on 02/05/2007 7:28:57 AM PST by batter
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I have to run some errands but will be back later. Thanks for all your help!


2 posted on 02/05/2007 7:30:54 AM PST by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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I have heard from a sister who recently retired from county government that there are huge costs involved in the translating and printing of all government forms and documents into various and sundry languages. It can run into millions.

The most ridiculous irony is that, especially for the invaders from South of the Border, many are illiterate in their native language anyway so it serves no purpose whatsoever.


8 posted on 02/05/2007 7:45:56 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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Add to labor house framing, roofing, and some other construction skills. The dollar amounts are similar to the meat packer example you use. The savings are not being passed on to the buyer.

Not really sure under which heading this goes, but don't forget illegal alien clown car magic show accidents.
The car has an accident, dozens of people run out of it and disappear, including the driver. The vehicle somehow ends up licensed to nobody. I hear these these type of accidents are happening more and more each day.
9 posted on 02/05/2007 7:47:53 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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Don't know what the law is in Utah, but in NJ even illegals are covered by workers' compensation insurance. In NJ this benefit includes temporary disability payments, a lump sum permanent injury payment and 100% of medical costs incurred due to most workplace injuries - regardless of fault.


10 posted on 02/05/2007 7:48:32 AM PST by KeyesPlease
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Deterioration of neighborhoods as illegals cram three or four families into a unit designed for one.

Re: suppressed wages, two points. The American citizens who are displaced by the lower-paid illegals are receiving government assistance. That is another cost of illegal aliens.

When employers pay less than a living wage to illegals, they are, in essence, forcing the rest of us to subsidize their companies with the public services that illegals use because they can't afford private services.


11 posted on 02/05/2007 7:58:51 AM PST by lady lawyer
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Spreading earnings across multiple fake identities within the course of a year can result in each of those identities earning below the poverty line and each of those identities will then be eligible for the Earned Income Tax Credit. Don't know how widespread this practice is, but I often read about raids where the illegal employees return a few days after the raid with new identities.


12 posted on 02/05/2007 8:01:18 AM PST by DancesWithBolsheviks (Fatigued with the party always being in my backyard.)
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I have no idea how to track it but there must be costs associated with the coming and going of gang members and 'cousins from mexico'.

I've seen resident's kids change and go along with their 'cousins', then, and when something goes bad, the cousin is gone. At least one friend lost a car because it was loaned to a 'cousin' by his girlfriend; car was impounded (written off) and the girlfriend wound up suing my friend as a payback. (?/!)

I'm also surprised that the posted list does not include the drug trade that has illegals here distributing for criminals in mexico.

13 posted on 02/05/2007 8:01:33 AM PST by norton
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The negative belief passed on to our children that some (decent honest starter) jobs are somehow below their dignity when politicians constantly tell us that there are jobs that 'Americans won't do.'


14 posted on 02/05/2007 8:10:41 AM PST by DancesWithBolsheviks (Fatigued with the party always being in my backyard.)
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New Study Shows Illegal Aliens Costs New Jersey More Than 2.1 Billion per Year
Feb 5, 2007
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1779360/posts

Mexifornia, Five Years Later
By Victor Davis Hansen
Feb 2, 2007
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1779403/posts

15 posted on 02/05/2007 8:13:06 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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I know you have "law enforcement", but CRIME is a key area. From cultural issues that do not respect private property, graffiti that brings down property values and fosters a criminal mindset, to the fact that we are starting with people who at least once consider crime top be OK, if it helps them.

Then there's the whole language, culture thing.
17 posted on 02/05/2007 8:21:01 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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Didn't include the lost jobs that Americans aren't working. How many American men would be construction workers except that illegals now work at a lower salary.


18 posted on 02/05/2007 8:30:16 AM PST by art_rocks
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Please add any omissions etc you may notice!""

This may seem obscure, but I know it exists, especially among women friends of mine:

I won't go into a store to shop where I detect an abundance of stragglers hanging around the parking lot "looking for work". LISTEN UP: HOME DEPOT!! You have permanently lost me to LOWES. I am just as concerned they are looking for a car to break into or steal or other trouble.

I won't go into a restaurant where I detect more employees not speaking English than those which are speaking English. EI: TACO BELL--McDONALD'S-- I don't trust the order to be done correctly, nor the overall cleanliness of the food preparation. It also offends me that even at work behind the counter they don't make ANY attempt to converse in English. They all talk whatever was their mother speech. It is just plain rude. They are here, they want to "work, but they don't want to assimilate at all.

In general, My money is being spent online or by catalog in more instances than ever before because I don't want to be where they are. At least I know my UPS driver, he is white, courteous, and an AMERICAN CITIZEN. I just don't feel safe going out into the streets nearly as much any more, PERIOD.

This makes an impact on the business of my area, which eventually impacts all the services the county or city or state can afford to provide. It becomes a vicisous circle, as money needed for law enforcement gets smaller while the problems get bigger.


20 posted on 02/05/2007 8:31:46 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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Please add any omissions etc you may notice!

Regarding health care, don't forget the $1 billion that was added to the Medicare Bill to pay for the illegal alien's hospital bills on the border. All Americans have to subsidize the border hospitals.

22 posted on 02/05/2007 8:43:56 AM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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This should fall under the "HEALTH" heading, but millions of unimmunized/improperly immunized people entering the US is a health disaster in the making.

Americans also ought to be asking, "WHY was/is there an E-coli outbreak in spinach; Why was/is there e-coli in meats? Why are once-thought eradicated/controlled diseases again resurfacing? Do I want to expose my children to these improperly immunized/screened children?" Then Americans ought evaluate those specific industries and their association with the illegal alien population and those specific outbreaks to regions where more illegal aliens are enrolled in schools.



The answer is apparent.


23 posted on 02/05/2007 8:51:56 AM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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How about the cost in human life? According to Congressman Steve King's office (R-Iowa); 25 Americans PER DAY are killed by illegal aliens on our soil...that is nearly 50,000 DEAD Americans since 9/11. Apparently; not too high a price to pay for cheaper produce. Pictures of the victims, along with a lot of additional info, can be found at this link.
25 posted on 02/05/2007 9:02:38 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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Does Dane count as a cost? But, seriously, these are non-financial costs as well:

- giving political power to groups like NCLR, LULAC, etc.
- giving political power inside the U.S. to Mexico
- political corruption


26 posted on 02/05/2007 9:26:52 AM PST by lonewacko_dot_com (http://lonewacko.com/blog)
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27 posted on 02/05/2007 9:35:29 AM PST by gubamyster
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1676807/posts


28 posted on 02/05/2007 9:39:22 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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What is the cost of the utter anger and frustration that comes from watching the federal government that is SUPPOSED to represent American Citizens kissing up to criminal illegal alien border violators?

What is the cost of having a government that is not the slightest bit interested in governing “from the consent of the governed?”

What is the worth of this nation prior to being destroyed by traitor politicians that are swallowing the lie of the “immigration vote?”

What is the cost of all the lives that were laid down to maintain the principles of our founding fathers and not the principles of cheap labor for cheating businesses?

What are these things worth? What priced to we place on the united States of America?

29 posted on 02/05/2007 10:37:41 AM PST by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA, MMP AZ 2005, TxMMP El Paso Oct+April 2006 TxMMP Laredo - El Paso)
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Could go under several categories, but under "Law Enforement" - cost of interpreters.


30 posted on 02/05/2007 11:17:05 AM PST by LNewman
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