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A long way from Dublin's bloody past
BBC ^ | 03/03/07 | Kevin Connolly

Posted on 02/04/2007 5:28:22 PM PST by Kid Shelleen

There is a cold hour just before dawn, when the light is the colour of lead, when the past seems a little closer and a lot more real than it does in the clearer light that comes later in the day.

--SNIP--

On that day, IRA gunmen burst into a string of houses that lay along my route to the conference centre and shot dead 14 British officers and intelligence officials. The Ireland of those days was inured to brutality on all sides but there was something about these killings that shocked the Dublin public.

Maybe it was the curiously pathetic fact that most of the victims were dragged from their beds and shot in their pyjamas

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: britain; britishisles; catholic; eu; europe; ira; ireland; nireland; peace; protestant; protestantism; romancatholic; romancatholicism; sectarianism; ulcer; ulster

1 posted on 02/04/2007 5:28:22 PM PST by Kid Shelleen
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To: Kid Shelleen

ping for future.


2 posted on 02/04/2007 5:33:46 PM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( WND, NewsMax, Townhall.com, Brietbart.com, and Drudge Report are not valid news sources.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

While in Ireland recently, the prevailing attitude among the educators I spoke to about our 9/11 was more of a collective shrug than empathy, so used are they to terrorism. It will take many more years to wipe away the numbness, I'm afraid.


3 posted on 02/04/2007 5:37:53 PM PST by Melinda
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To: Kid Shelleen

btt


4 posted on 02/04/2007 7:05:14 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Kid Shelleen; Irish_Thatcherite

Bump


5 posted on 02/04/2007 8:04:21 PM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Irish history bump.


6 posted on 02/04/2007 8:10:23 PM PST by Ciexyz (In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths. Proverbs 3:16)
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To: Ciexyz

shot dead 14 British officers and intelligence officials.

bbC is neglecting to explain that these 14 were members of the cairo gang---sent to infiltrate the ira and assinate the leadership in Dublin.
and that in retaliation of the original "Bloody Sunday",the notorious black and tans wasted 14 ...including 2 young kids under 6,young adults male and female...and executed 3 jailed ira men.
and as you know it went back and forth...retaliations.


7 posted on 02/04/2007 8:35:08 PM PST by catroina54
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To: Kid Shelleen

bttt


8 posted on 02/04/2007 8:52:59 PM PST by true_blue_texican (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: catroina54
Tell me, do you unequivocally condemn all activities carried out by the modern IRA?
9 posted on 02/05/2007 12:58:59 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Apathy is one of the most dangerous ideologies in existence!)
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To: Kid Shelleen; Incorrigible; Colosis; Black Line; Cucullain; SomeguyfromIreland; Youngblood; ...
Ireland Ping!

10 posted on 02/05/2007 1:05:19 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Apathy is one of the most dangerous ideologies in existence!)
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To: catroina54
sent to infiltrate the ira and assinate the leadership in Dublin.

Then those Englishmen were sent to do the Lord's work.

The IRA deserves the exact same treatment that Al Qaeda deserves.

11 posted on 02/05/2007 1:24:14 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

There is a moral question mark over my head when it comes to the Irish War Of Independence, the Old IRA of Michael Collins were vastly different from the thugs of Brownie, but there was the chance Irish independence could have been achieved by peaceful means.


12 posted on 02/05/2007 1:37:18 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Apathy is one of the most dangerous ideologies in existence!)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

I was in Ireland last summer when the film, "The Wind That Shakes the Barley" opened. From the folks who I spoke to, most said it and "Michale Collins" were fairly accurate-- rather, not totally inaccurate. Have you seen "...Wind..."? What did you think?


13 posted on 02/05/2007 1:47:51 PM PST by hoppity
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To: hoppity

I didn't see it, but I believe it was made with a leftist perspective rather than an Irish Republican one, which, in itself, makes it a breath of fresh air as most films/books about the period are stale with 'Hibernofascism'.


14 posted on 02/05/2007 1:54:25 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Apathy is one of the most dangerous ideologies in existence!)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

Collins, by organizing assassination squads, in a sense planted the seeds that murdered him.


15 posted on 02/05/2007 2:20:20 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

That is true, he was killed by men he trained, and possibly even men he knew in his youth!


16 posted on 02/05/2007 2:30:03 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Apathy is one of the most dangerous ideologies in existence!)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite
Don't get me wrong. The Irish had a right to take up arms and separate from the UK, and Collins did some brilliant things - like the amazing debt financings he pulled off - but some aspects of his program were pernicious.

The fact that he was murdered by his own shows the danger of encouraging and rewarding brutality and fanaticism.

17 posted on 02/05/2007 2:34:17 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Don't get me wrong. The Irish had a right to take up arms and separate from the UK, and Collins did some brilliant things - like the amazing debt financings he pulled off - but some aspects of his program were pernicious.

There was some savagery, no doubt - many southern Protestants were burned out of their homes, even some who were sympathic to Irish self-determination, which, of course, was escalated by Anti-Treatyites during the Irish Civil War.

The fact that he was murdered by his own shows the danger of encouraging and rewarding brutality and fanaticism.

That was basically what the Irish Civil War was about - I've heard it being referred to as the 'Irish Counterrevolution' - a descriptive name, as it was a war between constitutionally-minded patriots, and radical nationalism, the latter the losing side, of course.

18 posted on 02/05/2007 2:44:20 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Apathy is one of the most dangerous ideologies in existence!)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

Add me to this ping, please...


19 posted on 02/06/2007 2:13:51 PM PST by seamusnh
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To: seamusnh

Can do! :)


20 posted on 02/06/2007 2:22:06 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Apathy is one of the most dangerous ideologies in existence!)
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