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Russia to unveil latest fighter MiG-35 at Bangalore air show
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Posted on 02/03/2007 8:08:29 PM PST by TexKat

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To: Paleo Conservative
That's right (if memory serves) and they were non-existent to each other also, correct?

As good as were are in this part of the game, the margins are going to get tighter and tighter for us. My analogy would be that of a U2 where mach/stall at the end of the envelope were only 5 knots apart.


When this nation is really put to the test, it will be nothing like we have ever seen in our 230 years.
41 posted on 02/03/2007 10:29:41 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: Fred Hayek

Actually, Stalin had a secret nuclear program going well before there were spies in the Manhattan Project, but the information gleaned from the spying made it possible for Igor Kurchatov and his protogé Andrei Sakharov to verify and complete their nuclear weapon designs. Much of Sakharov's work in the early 1950's led to the true thermonuclear bombs the Soviets developed later in the decade.


42 posted on 02/03/2007 10:34:53 PM PST by RayChuang88
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To: rlmorel

Yeah but that was the only time -- and only then because the F-22 was out of missiles. It's good to know the F-22 can wax their asses down low too, though.


43 posted on 02/03/2007 10:56:03 PM PST by zipper
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To: RavenATB
The F-22 could kill half a dozen Mig 35s before they ever knew he was there.

What Wehrmacht General was quoted as saying about tank warfare on the Eastern Front: "Each of our Tigers could kill six T-34s at a time. Problem is, each one kept meeting seven or more."?

"Don't get cocky, kid."

44 posted on 02/04/2007 12:39:08 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: TexKat

That isn't a MiG-35. That is a MiG-1.42/44 FLATPACK. The MiG-35 that is going to the airshow is an upgraded MiG-29 FULCRUM variant designated MiG-35.


45 posted on 02/04/2007 2:46:32 AM PST by Tommyjo
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To: Paleo Conservative

I thought Russia got rid of the red star?


46 posted on 02/04/2007 2:49:04 AM PST by Pro-Bush (hater)
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To: Fred Hayek
That line of thinking got us in trouble over the skies of North Vietnam. We did learn that hard lesson - put guns back on the fighters instead of relying solely on missiles.

True, but that was 40 Years AGO!!

47 posted on 02/04/2007 6:12:14 AM PST by chudogg (Woof Woof)
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To: RavenATB
"The F-22 could kill half a dozen Mig 35s before they ever knew he was there."

I love the bravado. I'm willing to bet that very few here know much about what an F-22, a MiG-29, MiG-35, or an F-35 can do beyond what they read.

We have mostly been in situations lately where we have had immediate air superiority. And we rarely have to find out if our missiles work as advertised or if the one being used at that moment will work at all. (Lessons from Vietnam) We have been able to rely on our satellites and superior situational awareness. But, if we fight an enemy that denies us these advantages, then what?

Every contest has the potential of becoming a visual contact, pilot vs pilot contest where the better pilot gets to land in his/her airplane and the other doesn't.

48 posted on 02/04/2007 6:19:29 AM PST by GBA (God Bless America!)
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To: GBA
The little wings on the front of the fuselage tell me they are there as a design correction...
49 posted on 02/04/2007 8:06:05 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: FreedomCalls

Bingo. Don't count the MiG35 out just yet. Sukhoi and MiG have been engineering some great stuff lately and cheaper to boot. If I remember correctly, even the USA was thinking about buying SU-27 airframes.


50 posted on 02/04/2007 8:17:56 AM PST by Mashood
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

That's one opinion of a canard. Another is that they are a cost effective performance enhancement.


51 posted on 02/04/2007 9:28:35 AM PST by GBA (God Bless America!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

"The Mig-35 still doesn't have the stealth and supercruise features built into the F-22."

Don't need it. All you need is numbers and a knowledge of who you are fighting.

Only the US will field the F-22. It isn't for sale. Unless they decide to bring the Israelis in on the act.


52 posted on 02/04/2007 11:20:31 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (The Clintons: A Malignant Malfeasance of the Most Morbid)
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To: chudogg
True, but that was 40 Years AGO!!

40 years ago and almost halfway back to the invention of the aircraft. 80 years ago we were still flying a lot of aircraft made of wood spars, canvas skins, and wire supports.

53 posted on 02/04/2007 12:42:48 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
Yes it is not like we have enough to put them every where at once.
54 posted on 02/04/2007 1:16:58 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: GBA
//We have mostly been in situations lately where we have had immediate air superiority//

That and the rest of what you said are very good points.
55 posted on 02/04/2007 1:18:22 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Australia might get the F22 too, but they don't think its what they need to replace the F-111, and the F-111 worked real good for them.
56 posted on 02/04/2007 1:20:03 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: padre35

"Dogfights are mostly a thing of the past, why bother?"




That's what the Brits said back in the 50's.


57 posted on 02/04/2007 2:18:17 PM PST by brooklin
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To: Pro-Bush

Most Russian units still fly the hammer and sickle along with a new Russian flag (Which is the "official one" but isn't used except in Moscow and St. Petersburg) . The Hammer and Sickle features prominatly in most units.

Nostalga runs deep in the Russian military...


58 posted on 02/04/2007 9:54:46 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90; Pro-Bush

//Nostalga runs deep in the Russian military...//

Just like it would/does in the US


59 posted on 02/04/2007 10:34:37 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf; Thunder90

Thanks to both of you for the info!


60 posted on 02/04/2007 11:11:26 PM PST by Pro-Bush (hater)
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