Posted on 02/02/2007 9:55:01 PM PST by narses
What, don't you WANT to weed out poor people and minorities? Wouldn't you like to make sure people have permits before breeding? You WANT people to be able to reproduce as they see fit?
Give us Sanger, she'll make things right! We don't want poor people or minorities, let her kill them! We wouldn't want people to be having children unless it was government sanctioned! We don't want our 12 year old daughters to be unaware of the joys of sex!
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I wonder if any of those who revere Sanger have read her biography. It's chilling.
I have been told they're anti-choice lies to make her look evil, and even if they aren't (considering she wrote it, I'm willing to assume this is the case), those were different times, so it was okay to say, "The undeniably feeble-minded should, indeed, not only be discouraged but prevented from propagating their kind."
"The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."
"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
Oh what a legacy to follow, NARAL.
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Campions of choice-WOW thats something to be proud of, NOT.
Can they get any sicker?
If I decided I wanted rape to be legal, and I called myself a champion of choice because of that, do you think it'd work? I mean, it's worked for killing babies.
OH yeah, thatd go over reallly well LOL
although, your victim would have about the same "choice" as the unborn baby (Well except a baby cant mace you, shoot you or kick ya where the sun dont shine).
Maybe we shoud arm babies in the womb!
The lack of balance between the birth-rate of the ``unfit'' and the ``fit,'' admittedly the greatest present menace to the civilization, can never be rectified by the inauguration of a cradle competition between these two classes. The example of the inferior classes, the fertility of the feeble-minded, the mentally defective, the poverty- stricken, should not be held up for emulation to the mentally and physically fit, and therefore less fertile, parents of the educated and well-to-do classes. On the contrary, the most urgent problem to- day is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective. Possibly drastic and Spartan methods may be forced upon American society if it continues complacently to encourage the chance and chaotic breeding that has resulted from our stupid, cruel sentimentalism.
To effect the salvation of the generations of the future--nay, of the generations of to-day--our greatest need, first of all, is the ability to face the situation without flinching; to cooperate in the formation of a code of sexual ethics based upon a thorough biological and psychological understanding of human nature; and then to answer the questions and the needs of the people with all the intelligence and honesty at our command. If we can summon the bravery to do this, we shall best be serving the pivotal interests of civilization.
To conclude this introduction: my initiation, as I have confessed, was primarily an emotional one. My interest in Birth Control was awakened by experience. Research and investigation have followed. Our effort has been to raise our program from the plane of the emotional to the plane of the scientific. Any social progress, it is my belief, must purge itself of sentimentalism and pass through the crucible of science. We are willing to submit Birth Control to this test. It is part of the purpose of this book to appeal to the scientist for aid, to arouse that interest which will result in widespread research and investigation. I believe that my personal experience with this idea must be that of the race at large. We must temper our emotion and enthusiasm with the impersonal determination of science. We must unite in the task of creating an instrument of steel, strong but supple, if we are to triumph finally in the war for human emancipation.
You know, that's a good idea. We just need to figure out how Stewie Griffin got a map of Europe in there, and then we can figure out how to get weapons in.
Seriously though, what I don't get is why they're champions of choice when there are three humans involved in a pregnancy...and they only let one of them have a choice. In fact, that choice of the one person can include killing another human, thus ending that human's choices forever.
I also don't understand the, "It's okay to call you anti-choice, but I'm not anti-life." Oh, so you don't believe that a woman has the right to end the life of her child? My mistake, the last time I checked, abortion ended a human life, unless it's botched and the baby lives, meaning that if you're pro-choice, there are born people out there in this world that you think should be dead and isn't it a shame they lived? They want born people dead as well as unborn people. They want my people dead. They want their own people dead. These "feminists" like it that it's legal to abort for any reason, including sex selection, which kills thousands of females in other countries each year.
That could lead to unintended consequences! Like this:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28562
LMAO! that was too funny;)
I remember reading in the mainstream press about a mini-scandal over the fact that some gay Republicans were so well connected with the Reagan White House that there were private, after-hours tours of the premises for their gay guests.
Before becoming President, Reagan campaigned against the California ballot initiative which would have banned gays from teaching in California public schools.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".
I agree. I dont understand either why only one person gets to make the "choice".
She cant get pregnant without a male contribution and once she become pregnant its no longer just her body, but the babys as well.
and no i dont believe you can be pro choice, but not anti life anymore than you can be prolife, and pro choice.
Believe it or not, for some feminists abortion is a "right of passage"
so i have to wonder, if its such a special thing to them, do they get pregnant deliberaly for the sole purpose of experiencing this right of passage?
When i lived in WA i belonged to bsf. we had a leader whose sister was an abortion doctor. she said her sister was PROUD of every abortion she performed. hows that for sick?
As sick as it is, I know someone who did just that because she wanted to experience it.
Trouble is, she decided an ultrasound wouldn't affect her.
Now, she's gotten really bitter and violently pro-choice. Before I could talk with her and she respected my beliefs, but now she's so vehement about, "It's not a baby!" she snaps at everything. It definitely affected her. She yelled at a woman who regretted her own abortion because "It's stupid to think it's a baby! I had an abortion and I'm FINE because it was just TISSUE, so stop WHINING." I'm really worried about her, but...it's hard to feel sorry for her because she purposely abandoned her birth control and got pregnant so that she could abort, against her boyfriend's wishes by the way, so she's not the only one who's suffering because she had her baby killed. Her baby's dead, her boyfriend's devestated, and she's obviously going through something, and it was all due to her own choices. But the abortionist got paid, so at least someone came out a winner!
OMG!
Well I think, judging from your post that she feels GUILTY. otherwise she wouldnt be so reactionary.
while i realize all abortions are deliberate, hers was even more so from a spiritual and mental perspective.
she wasnt put in a position to "choose" or agonized over her "choice" as some claim. she made it up in her mind and exuted her plan.
im pretty sure, that it is a kindve guilt that cuts right to the bone.
She probally doesnt want to hear anything that remotly hints that what she did was monstrous, so she lashes out at everyone.
most that run that far pro choice (out of guilt, not out of pride) usually become the biggest advocates against abortion, later.
be patient with her. I would imagine she will need alot of compassion. lecturing her will only push her farther to the other side.
what a sad, sad story:(
I haven't said a thing about it to her. The first day, she said to me, I understand you now. It looks so much like a baby. I asked if she wanted a link to project rachel or wanted me to find out if there were any good counseling resources around, but she said she didn't want it, so I dropped it. I don't blame women who get abortions as much as I do the people promoting abortions. The ones who know what it is but lie to women because it's in their best interests, so they get women to believe it's no big deal and there is no baby. If I was brought up being told abortion is just a medical procedure and there is no baby involved by people I trusted, I might be pro-choice too and pass objections to it off as lunatics trying to control people. The ones who are to blame are the liars, the people profitting off of the suffering and death.
She's surrounded herself with people who are extremely pro-choice. I think that a little later down the line, she'll be disgusted with these people and maybe even angry at them for misleading her. I truly think you're right and one day she will be a big pro-life advocate...I just worry about any damage she'll do to herself and others in between then.
Interestingly enough, though, when the discussion of Crisis Pregnancy Centers having ultrasounds came up, all of her friends were saying it was horrible that they use ultrasounds, but she was very vocal and said every woman should have to see for herself because they're going to see it someday, somewhere, and if it was going to affect them, it was better for them to be affected while they had time to back out instead of after the fact. I think on some level she feels she's been deeply affected in a negative way and wants to keep other women from going through it, but maybe I'm just being hopeful.
No, I think youre right.
While I know her very pro choice stance isnt very encouraging, her other behavior indicates to me that there is hope.
So she did see an ultra sound?
I leaned years ago, more to the pro choice side. I was always told that before 3 months it wasnt a baby, but tissue.
When I became pregnant with my son I had an ultra sound when he was just a "little circle" but there was life.
At 3 months (or maybe a little sooner)he looked alot like a little tadpole, but i could see the outline of his face:)
it made me feel sick inside that some thought this was just tissue:(
I dont even know what they think it is after 3 months now?
how far weve come since the 80s with partial birth abortion (atleast i dont remember it being an issue before then)at some point i wouldnt be suprised to find them advocating euthenasia if AFTER the baby is born it has a defect or not "perfect".
These ppl shes running with think its was horrible to have ultra sounds? they dont like it because it shows them to be FRAUDS. God forbid we should show moms to be the truth.
and i agree these rabid feminists shes running with will, in time become a total turn off. Dont lose hope.
"In any case, I just wanted you to know that many of my fellow Republicans stand with you on this issue. So I thank you, I thank NARAL for taking the lead in establishing freedom of choice for all of us, and as the Mayor of New York City, I thank you for being here in New York City".
This is who we want to be the next president of the US? God help us all.
When he says that a large percentage of republican share his views, is he talking about ny republicans or all? cuz aside from a few here on FR, i havent met any pro choice conservatives.
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