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Is Houston A Sitting Duck For Terrorism?
KVUE.COM ^ | Feb. 2, 2007

Posted on 02/02/2007 6:32:14 PM PST by Oorang

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To: weegee

Thanks for the ping, weegee. I saw the report on TV and I think this reporter did a good job. He was thinking outside the box which is exactly what Atta and his crew did prior to 9/11.


21 posted on 02/02/2007 11:05:57 PM PST by Humidston
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To: Oorang
No amount of security will ever make us safe. The only safety will come when we hurt the Muslim jihadists so badly that they either surrender or are all dead. We're going to have to break their will and show them that our desire to keep them from killing us is greater than their desire to kill us. If we only think about defense, we've lost already.

The whole story may seem shocking, but if the terrorists can identify the storage tanks that contain the worst chemicals, they don't need to steal a plane to cause a catastrophic failure. In many cases, the tanks are visible from a public road. They can stop their car, get out with a rocket launcher, and fire a rocket through the tank wall before anyone can react. Even if a police officer comes along at that moment, one terrorist can use a military rifle to hold off the officer while the other fires the rocket launcher. Another way of destroying storage tanks or piping is to cut through the fence at night and come into the plant with explosives. All of these security precautions are based on the idea that the terrorists will want to do something smooth and graceful as if they were movie characters sneaking into and out of an installation without being caught. Real terrorists haven't shown themselves to be that fancy. Instead, they just get in crudely but quickly and do their damage.

Bill

22 posted on 02/02/2007 11:29:19 PM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: Oorang
I wouldn't take a single thing Mary Schiavo says seriously.

The woman is nothing but a scum sucking lawyer. Last time I checked she was suing Boeing over Sept. 11th.

23 posted on 02/02/2007 11:31:31 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Bush Derangement Syndrome Has Reached Pandemic Levels on Free Republic.)
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To: cpdiii
You are slow. I would get the weather and if I was flying IFR file the flight plan from home. The preflight inspection is less than 5 minutes. If local I would start the engine and go. If on a cross country I would get my clearance from the tower and go. Unless there was a lot of traffic from the time I started the engine or engines I would normally be in the air within ten minutes.

The hour includes time at the FBO desk to legally rent the aircraft. If you own the aircraft or intend to steal it, then I'm sure you can cut corners. The parties in question already have the intent to break the law and engage in actions that may be suicidal. My intent was to have a safe, fun afternoon flying and return without incident.

24 posted on 02/03/2007 12:33:00 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Enduring Freedom
Ain't it the truth.

Our media has become a handbook for terrorists.

What the terrorists haven't thought of, some jerk in the media will tell them.

25 posted on 02/03/2007 1:09:34 AM PST by Texas Mom (Two places you're always welcome - church and Grandma's house.)
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To: WFTR
The only safety will come when we hurt the Muslim jihadists so badly that they either surrender or are all dead

Bingo.

Even then we won't be entirely safe. No one can ever be entirely safe. Life is a pretty risky proposition.

but if the terrorists can identify the storage tanks that contain the worst chemicals, they don't need to steal a plane to cause a catastrophic failure

No they don't. A copy of the most recent ERG and a decent elk rifle would be about all it takes.

Another way of destroying storage tanks or piping is to cut through the fence at night and come into the plant with explosives

Or just drive a stolen truck loaded with ANFO into one.

If we only think about defense, we've lost already.

The best defense is a good offense.

L

26 posted on 02/03/2007 1:31:25 AM PST by Lurker (Europeans killed 6 million Jews. As a reward they got 40 million Moslems. Karma's a bitch.)
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To: Humidston

You are right...it is easy and fun to protect us from the obvious, takes more work and creativity to assume the unknown.


27 posted on 02/04/2007 4:48:52 AM PST by antivenom (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much damn space!)
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To: Oorang

One thing the article does not point out is that the prevailing wind in this part of Texas most of the time is out of the west, south or north and would keep most of a gas release in less populated areas.We do get the occasional east or south easterly breezes but not all that often.


28 posted on 02/04/2007 5:01:04 AM PST by eastforker (.308 SOCOM 16, hottest brand going.2350 FPS muzzle..M.. velocity)
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To: Lurker

Never has a war or battle been won by being solely defensive.
The key to a decisive victory is becoming offensive, stopping the will of the enemy and oppressing the resurgence of the enemy afterwards.
All of which is counter to the demrats.


29 posted on 02/04/2007 5:08:22 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: LibWhacker

These loose lips could quite possibly save hundreds if not thousands of lives.

I live near Hooks, it is as the report indicates. I hope for our sake, security measures are put into place.

As far as the plants south of town, I have often wondered about the lack of security........makes ya wonder!

If you talk about this here in Houston, most people are a bit nervous about the chemical/refineries being struck.


30 posted on 02/04/2007 5:30:48 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Oorang

"Is Houston A Sitting Duck For Terrorism? "

Yes, as is every other city in the U.S. And the planet for that matter.

What a bunch of wasted ink.


31 posted on 02/04/2007 5:35:07 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom! Non-Sequitur = Pee Wee Herman.)
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"Many people would loose their lives," she said if a plane or jet was stolen and crashed into the right chemical storage tank.

As of a couple of minutes ago that misspelling was still in the original text. Too many journalists are hired based on political viewpoints and flamboyance rather than intelligence and skill.

If a terrorist actually does pull off one of these media offered paint-by-numbers attacks, I hope that someone will place on the internet a story exposing how easy it is to penetrate the media's security.

32 posted on 02/04/2007 5:45:28 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat (An easy 10-team playoff based on the BCS bowls can be implemented by next year. See my homepage.)
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To: eastforker
One thing the article does not point out is that the prevailing wind in this part of Texas most of the time is out of the west, south or north and would keep most of a gas release in less populated areas.We do get the occasional east or south easterly breezes but not all that often.

Wrong.

Houston... Prevailing winds are from the southeast and south, except in January, when frequent passages of high pressure areas bring invasions of polar air and prevailing northerly winds.

33 posted on 02/04/2007 6:01:53 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat (An easy 10-team playoff based on the BCS bowls can be implemented by next year. See my homepage.)
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To: Enduring Freedom

Did you think they are not?


34 posted on 02/04/2007 6:08:46 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

More from the south and south south east and that would not carry a gas cloud into downtown Houston. I know, I work outside in a chem plant and monitor the wind socks all day long and very rarely do we get a wind that would carry a cloud downtown. These same meteorologist are the same ones that tell you the sun is shining when you are running for your raincoat.


35 posted on 02/04/2007 6:10:22 AM PST by eastforker (.308 SOCOM 16, hottest brand going.2350 FPS muzzle..M.. velocity)
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To: eastforker

But there is a heck of a lot of people living north and northwest of the shipchannel, even if it isn't a huge percentage of the overall population. Lots of apartment complexes along I-10, while the C.E. King and Summerwood areas are filling up with subdivisions and Crosby about to boom the way Shadow Creek Ranch has. Alvin is also starting to add more subdivisions, and that growth will stretch pretty much all the way from its south side to 288 once the Grand Parkway is built, just north of the Chocolate Bayou plants. Pasadena, Deer Park, and LaPorte are also filling in, so they are downwind from either Bayport or the Channel nearly all year. Of course distance and dissipation help mitigate threats, but there are real and substantial risks.


36 posted on 02/04/2007 6:27:30 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat (An easy 10-team playoff based on the BCS bowls can be implemented by next year. See my homepage.)
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To: arthurus

the agenda of the media will come to full fruition when they carry ak-47s and shoot at our troops


37 posted on 02/04/2007 8:55:44 AM PST by Enduring Freedom (the agenda of the media will come to full fruition when they carry ak-47s and shoot at our troops)
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