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Gates Slams Mac Ads, Questions Mac Security
MacNN.com ^ | 2 Feb 2007

Posted on 02/02/2007 10:59:18 AM PST by big'ol_freeper

Microsoft co-founder and former CEO Bill Gates has openly criticized Apple's 'Get a Mac' ads, called the company a liar, and questioned the security of Apple's Mac OS X operating system. In a recent interview with Newsweek, Gates compared Microsoft's recently released security-oriented Windows Vista to Apple's Mac OS X: "We made it way harder for guys to do exploits," Gates said, referring to Windows Vista. "The number [of violations] will be way less because we've done some dramatic things [to improve security] in the code base. Apple hasn't done any of those things." The executive also referenced the frequent discovery of flaws in Mac OS X. "Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine." Gates was likely referring to the 'Month of Apple Bugs' project -- which came under intense criticism this week for exploiting Safari users attempting to view a freshly-discovered bug.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: computers; mac; micrsoft
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To: Petronski

You miss my point, I didn't miss yours or the ads'. It's Apple's job not to tap that rich vein of perceived snobbery and condescension, that is if they want to win over a Windows audience.

Again, in advertising you have little time to pull it off. No one owes Apple more than a split second to "understand" their lame anthropomorphism.


241 posted on 02/04/2007 8:08:28 PM PST by avenir
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To: avenir
You miss my point...

Not at all. Here I sit, still basking in it's sophomoric pedantry.

242 posted on 02/04/2007 8:10:20 PM PST by Petronski (Who am I and why am I here?)
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To: avenir
...their lame anthropomorphism...has spawned about a dozen commercials in the genre and is so successful that it has been exported in new versions specifically for England and Japan.

Lame? ROFLMAO     Only if you defind "lame" as "hurting your feelings."

243 posted on 02/04/2007 8:14:05 PM PST by Petronski (Who am I and why am I here?)
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To: L98Fiero
I work in corporate IT and would never downplay security here. At home, though? Bah!

If you want to shop and pay bills on the internet, you won't be going bah.

244 posted on 02/04/2007 8:21:19 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Petronski

"Not at all. Here I sit, still basking in it's sophomoric pedantry."

I guess I deserve that. These threads are so stupid.


245 posted on 02/04/2007 8:35:42 PM PST by avenir
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To: big'ol_freeper

I've been a Mac user forever. I've never used anything but a Mac.

A freeleance assignment has come up that requires the use of a PC.

I know nothing about PCs at all all. I'd really like a laptop version.

What's good, bad, in your opinion. I'm looking in the $600 - $700 range. Ideas for this PC noob?

TIA


246 posted on 02/04/2007 8:39:07 PM PST by mplsconservative
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To: rzeznikj at stout

Will it run Doom? (latest version, of course)


247 posted on 02/04/2007 8:43:06 PM PST by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Thanks for adding a common sense perspective to this endless arguemnt.

The perspective you've given is usually ignored.


248 posted on 02/04/2007 8:51:51 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Without Windows, the cheap hardware to run Linux and other open source OSs would never have happened.

Before DOS. there was already two OSes -- CP/M and Unix -- that ran on hardware from multiple vendors. The Internet was already coming into shape, and in fact Windows was quite late to the party. Apple was already working on the Lisa, which would become the Macintosh.

The IBM PC brought two things to the table -- the IBM name, which brought credibility with corporate customers, and Lotus 1-2-3, which gave the computer a "killer app" for business.

It's all "what if" guesswork, of course, but I think if DOS hadn't been there, I think a GUI would have been developed for CP/M, Apple would still have built the Macintosh, Commodore would still have developed the Amiga, and IBM would have eventually found the market irresistible. It might not have happened as fast and certainly would look very different, but I think we'd still have internet-connected computers on our desks.

249 posted on 02/04/2007 9:14:31 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Swordmaker
Have you priced dot matrix printers lately? The law of supply and demand has really taken a toll from the time when you could buy one for $69.

There was still one model of dot-matrix printer on the shelf last time I went to my local Office Depot. An Okidata Microline. Took me right back, it did ... just looking at it, I could almost hear it. It was, IIRC, about $250.

250 posted on 02/04/2007 9:21:04 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Poser

don't know--i don't play doom...8^)


251 posted on 02/04/2007 9:21:57 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere...)
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To: Bookwoman
I am someone who never would have switched to a Mac and now I don't think I'll ever go back to Windows.

Funny.
You know, I know a lot of folks who have switched from Windows to Mac and are thrilled and say they'd never go back, but I don't know anyone who has switched from Mac to Windows without complaining that they wish they would have stayed with Mac.

252 posted on 02/04/2007 11:49:22 PM PST by XR7
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To: rzeznikj at stout

Until I can play the good PC games on it, my Mac will sit in the corner with the power switch turned off. And... Mac will continue to be a minor player in the computer world.


253 posted on 02/05/2007 4:37:15 AM PST by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: L98Fiero
Yet another "slams" in a headline. I've lost count today. Thesaurus alert!!!

I've always found the media's use of that word a little tiresome.

254 posted on 02/05/2007 7:15:34 AM PST by SeƱor Zorro ("The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"--Qui-Gon Jinn)
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To: Poser

with OS X, I do believe there's Crossover Mac--which IIRC is a Windows compatibility layer.

That might help.


255 posted on 02/05/2007 8:57:39 AM PST by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere...)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Apple created a market for its own hardware.

That's because Apple is a hardware company.

256 posted on 02/05/2007 9:20:54 AM PST by cowboyway (My heroes have always been Cowboys)
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To: cowboyway
That's because Apple is a hardware company.

I didn't say there was anything wrong with that, did I?

My point was that, because the IBM PC/DOS/Windows used OEM, non-proprietary hardware, computers became cheap and ubiquitous.

Without IBM/Microsoft, the cheap hardware to run open source operating systems would never have happened.

It was a bit of serendipitous good luck. They would never have done it on purpose had they realized how many they would sell.

257 posted on 02/05/2007 10:22:24 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: rzeznikj at stout

It won't run Doom.

Apple's biggest mistake was not the open architecture thing. It was the games. I couldn't play Leisure Suit Larry on the first Mac, so I didn't buy one.


258 posted on 02/05/2007 10:28:17 AM PST by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: Poser

Not natively.

I really do think that it's not the architecture, it's "Follow the Money"

It makes more economic sense to develop PC games because most everybody uses PCs. Suffice it to say, Mac only has a small percentage.

If they can't develop a hybrid version or have the resources to develop one version--they're going to develop the game for PC.


259 posted on 02/05/2007 11:22:41 AM PST by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere...)
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To: Halgr
Your a classic example of "anyone with a computer can offer opinions on the internet"...good for you bloke

Okay, I have to call you on this. First, let's play grammar games. It's all the rage on the Internet. It isn't "YOUR" it's "YOU'RE" which is a contracted version of "YOU ARE".

Secondly, I have used computers from the earliest personal CP/M machines to the Apple ][ to the C64 to the Atari 400/800 series to the Amiga to the Mac to the PC. I still have them all and they all work. The dogs of the bunch are the Macs that I own. They are garbage, and no matter how many ad attacks you launch against me, they will still be garbage today, tomorrow and endlessly into the future. The Macs I own are garbage.

Third, I have been using computers since 1975. My father was among the first computer science graduates in the country. I was pretty much born with a computer in the household. I first used a modem "offering opinions" on college networks and professional services back in 1977.

You talking down to me is annoying, and calling me a "BLOKE" when you live in California makes you look foolish. Not smart or worldly. Get it?

260 posted on 02/05/2007 5:55:36 PM PST by APFel (Regnum Nostrum Crescit)
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