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Gates Slams Mac Ads, Questions Mac Security
MacNN.com ^ | 2 Feb 2007

Posted on 02/02/2007 10:59:18 AM PST by big'ol_freeper

Microsoft co-founder and former CEO Bill Gates has openly criticized Apple's 'Get a Mac' ads, called the company a liar, and questioned the security of Apple's Mac OS X operating system. In a recent interview with Newsweek, Gates compared Microsoft's recently released security-oriented Windows Vista to Apple's Mac OS X: "We made it way harder for guys to do exploits," Gates said, referring to Windows Vista. "The number [of violations] will be way less because we've done some dramatic things [to improve security] in the code base. Apple hasn't done any of those things." The executive also referenced the frequent discovery of flaws in Mac OS X. "Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine." Gates was likely referring to the 'Month of Apple Bugs' project -- which came under intense criticism this week for exploiting Safari users attempting to view a freshly-discovered bug.

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KEYWORDS: computers; mac; micrsoft
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To: blu

--So, do you want to tell my 2000 dual USB iBook that it didn't get those ports until way after the iPods were introduced?--

The dual USB ibook was not launched till 2001.


81 posted on 02/02/2007 12:41:19 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: UpAllNight
All the Mac users were complaining that they couldn't hook up their Apple Ipods to their Apple Macs.

The first Macs to offer USB were introduced in 1998. The first Ipods were introduced in 2001.

From Wikipiedia:

Originally, a FireWire connection to the host computer was used to update songs or recharge the battery. The battery could also be charged with a power adapter that was included with the first 4 generations.

The third generation began including a dock connector, allowing for FireWire or USB connectivity. This provided better compatibility with PCs, as most of them did not have FireWire ports at the time. However, the device could not be charged over USB, so the FireWire cables were nonetheless needed to connect to the AC adapter. The dock connector also brought opportunities to exchange data, sound and power with an iPod, which ultimately created a large market of accessories, manufactured by third parties such as Belkin and Griffin. The 2nd generation iPod shuffle uses a single 3.5 mm jack which acts as both a headphone jack and a data port for the dock.

The iPod mini and the fourth generation iPod allowed recharging via USB and eventually Apple began shipping iPods with USB cables instead of FireWire, although the latter was available separately. As of the 5th generation iPod, Apple discontinued using FireWire for data transfer and made a full transition to USB 2.0, due to its widespread adoption. FireWire was then used for recharging only.

Looks like it was the PC people who were squawking for USB, not the Mac people.
82 posted on 02/02/2007 12:43:47 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: L98Fiero

Deep thinkers. They are trying to tell me that they had certain systems before Apple released them to the public.


83 posted on 02/02/2007 12:44:33 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Your supporting information does not support your 1998.




The first Macs to offer USB were introduced in 1998. The first Ipods were introduced in 2001.

From Wikipiedia:

Originally, a FireWire connection to the host computer was used to update songs or recharge the battery. The battery could also be charged with a power adapter that was included with the first 4 generations.
The third generation began including a dock connector, allowing for FireWire or USB connectivity. This provided better compatibility with PCs, as most of them did not have FireWire ports at the time. However, the device could not be charged over USB, so the FireWire cables were nonetheless needed to connect to the AC adapter. The dock connector also brought opportunities to exchange data, sound and power with an iPod, which ultimately created a large market of accessories, manufactured by third parties such as Belkin and Griffin. The 2nd generation iPod shuffle uses a single 3.5 mm jack which acts as both a headphone jack and a data port for the dock.

The iPod mini and the fourth generation iPod allowed recharging via USB and eventually Apple began shipping iPods with USB cables instead of FireWire, although the latter was available separately. As of the 5th generation iPod, Apple discontinued using FireWire for data transfer and made a full transition to USB 2.0, due to its widespread adoption. FireWire was then used for recharging only.


84 posted on 02/02/2007 12:46:39 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: UpAllNight
The whole drive behind the USB on the mac was because they designed the IPOD with the USB.

Simply not true, and not shown by any information you've provided so far.

85 posted on 02/02/2007 12:46:44 PM PST by Petronski (Who am I and why am I here?)
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To: big'ol_freeper
"Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally.

Like...totally, dude!

86 posted on 02/02/2007 12:48:08 PM PST by 6SJ7
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

--The first Macs to offer USB were introduced in 1998. The first Ipods were introduced in 2001.--


Incorrect. The first was the 2001 USB ibook. That is why they used the USB in the name because it was the first one.


87 posted on 02/02/2007 12:48:43 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: L98Fiero

If you are implying someone must be a deep thinker to understand the words "I am a Mac," then yeah, I'm a deep thinker. So are most children.


88 posted on 02/02/2007 12:48:45 PM PST by Petronski (Who am I and why am I here?)
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To: UpAllNight; Swordmaker; ShadowAce; CheneyChick
--The first Macs to offer USB were introduced in 1998. The first Ipods were introduced in 2001.-- Incorrect. The first was the 2001 USB ibook.

Are you saying the first Mac with USB was the 2001 iBook?

89 posted on 02/02/2007 12:50:14 PM PST by Petronski (Who am I and why am I here?)
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To: Petronski

--Simply not true, and not shown by any information you've provided so far.--

I already shown that you have posted falsely about haveing an ibook before they came out. You will say anything, just like the MacGuy. Of course I will never convince you but the argument was made and Mac users were compaining about not being able to hook up to IPODS.


90 posted on 02/02/2007 12:50:32 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: UpAllNight
The first was the 2001 USB ibook which had not one but TWO USB ports as the ad went (my pc at the time came with four). Interesting that mac came out with the USB ibook simultaneously with the IPOD which was USB leaving existing mac owners complaining why they couldn't plug the IPOD into a mac!

The iMac had USB ports in 1998. The first generation iBooks had it in 1999, as did the bronze keyboard Powerbooks that year (actually they had two USB ports).

91 posted on 02/02/2007 12:51:55 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: big'ol_freeper
Macs are by no means flawless. To those who think they are invincible, you obviously weren't counting the USCERTS released about Mac in 2006. There were dozens.

Here's an old article as a refresher.
http://www.technewsworld.com/story/pq5OERU1cnfvXn/Mac-Vulnerability-Tops-List-of-Security-Flaws.xhtml

I think Apple has fixed most of the bugs announced, but that doesn't mean there aren't more out there. So please, enough of all this "Macs are superior" junk.

92 posted on 02/02/2007 12:52:22 PM PST by Marko413
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To: Deo volente

Its called open archetecture. They have more users and thats why there are more viruses.


93 posted on 02/02/2007 12:52:36 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: blu

--iPod is a brand of portable media players that is designed and marketed by Apple and was launched on October 23, 2001."

So, do you want to tell my 2000 dual USB iBook that it didn't get those ports until way after the iPods were introduced?--

I didn't say way after. Your 2000 dual USB iBook wasn't announce to the public till 2001. How do you explain that you had one a year before Apple announced it?


94 posted on 02/02/2007 12:53:52 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

--The iMac had USB ports in 1998. The first generation iBooks had it in 1999, as did the bronze keyboard Powerbooks that year (actually they had two USB ports).--

The USB iBook wasn't released till 2001!


95 posted on 02/02/2007 12:54:35 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: UpAllNight
I already shown that you have posted falsely about haveing an ibook before they came out.

Please show me where I ever claimed having an iBook.

96 posted on 02/02/2007 12:55:57 PM PST by Petronski (Who am I and why am I here?)
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To: UpAllNight
" The whole drive behind the USB on the mac was because they designed the IPOD with the USB."

Amazingly, your wrong about nearly everything.

1. The iMac was introduced in '98, the iBook and the B&W Powermac G3 in '99, the iPod in 2001.

2. The iPod was released originally with firewire only.

3. A USB capable iPod wasn't released until 2003! and it could only sync. on USB not charge. Full USB capability was not achieved until 2004.

97 posted on 02/02/2007 12:57:07 PM PST by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: aruanan
And that's why it's been so good.

That's fine, but without the original IBM computer designed with off-the-shelf components and its operating system DOS/Windows, computers would still be extremely expensive and far less prevalent.

Without Windows, the cheap hardware to run Linux and other open source OSs would never have happened.

98 posted on 02/02/2007 12:57:48 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: UpAllNight
The first Macs to offer USB were introduced in 1998.

They were the iMacs, detailed here. And yes, they had (two) USB ports.

99 posted on 02/02/2007 12:57:54 PM PST by Petronski (Who am I and why am I here?)
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To: UpAllNight
Incorrect. The first was the 2001 USB ibook. That is why they used the USB in the name because it was the first one.

No, they called it the "Dual USB" iBook because it was the first iBook with two of them.

iMac: 1998

PowerMac G3: 1999

iBook: 1999

100 posted on 02/02/2007 12:58:02 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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