Giuliani Is Sounding More Like a Candidate

New York Times ^ | 1/28/07 | RICHARD PÉREZ-PEÑA

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MANCHESTER, N. H., Jan. 27 — Rudolph W. Giuliani sounded nearer than ever to being a presidential candidate on Saturday, repeatedly talking about the prospect of running, and inviting voters to judge him by his record as mayor of New York City.

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Another Rudy article this from his nemisis the NYTimes. ....he sure is getting a lot of ink.

[Barnacle]

The question facing Rudy is whether enough Democrats would vote for him to win.

[Post-Neolithic]

"Another Rudy article this from his nemisis the NYTimes. ....he sure is getting a lot of ink."

Most likely because if Rudy wins the Republican nod it's a win/win for them. If Rudy is President they get a Liberal, if She who wears the pants is President they get a liberal.

They also know that if Rudy gets the nod it's an almost certainty that Pants will win. 10-15 percent of the Conservative vote is Christian(they will never support a Pro-Abort/Pro-Gay candidate), at least 60 percent of the voting public, Democrats and Republicans, are gun rights supporters(They would never support an Anti-Second amendment politician like Rudy).

It's almost as if Rudy is being forced down our throats so that we will lose in 2008.

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My top concerns with Rudy are guns, abortion and homo support, all of which he has a track record as mayor with.

[Blackirish]

My top concerns with Rudy are guns, abortion and homo support

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And we used to mock the liberals for having a pre 9/11 mindset.

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They also know that if Rudy gets the nod it's an almost certainty that Pants will win. 10-15 percent of the Conservative vote is Christian(they will never support a Pro-Abort/Pro-Gay candidate), at least 60 percent of the voting public,

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All polling refutes your post. Like it or not the base likes Rudy.

[HitmanLV]

The question facing Rudy is whether enough Democrats would vote for him to win.

More accurately, will enough Independents vote for him to win.

[NapkinUser]

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On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." -Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.

The Real Rudy Giuliani:

From Human Events:

Rudy's Strong Pro-Abortion Stance

As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.

I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...

Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.

Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."

Worse yet, Giuliani even supports partial birth abortion:

"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999

It's bad enough that Rudy is so adamantly pro-abortion, but consider what that could mean when it comes time to select Supreme Court Justices. Does the description of Giuliani that you've just read make you think he's going to select an originalist like Clarence Thomas, who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- or does it make you think he would prefer justices like Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who'd leave Roe v. Wade in place?

Rudy's abortion stance is bad news for conservatives who are pro-life or who are concerned about getting originalist judges on the Supreme Court.

An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate

In the last couple of election cycles, 2nd Amendment issues have moved to the back burner mainly because even Democratic candidates have learned that being tagged with the "gun grabber" label is political poison.

Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.

Do Republicans really want to abandon their strong 2nd Amendment stance by selecting a pro-gun control nominee?

Soft on Gay Marriage

Other than tax cuts, the biggest domestic issue of the 2004 election was President Bush's support of a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as being between a man and a woman. Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani has taken a "Kerryesque" position on gay marriage.

Although Rudy, like John Kerry, has said that marriage should remain between a man and a woman, he also supports civil unions, "marched in gay-pride parades" ...dressed up in drag on national television for a skit on Saturday Night Live (and moved in with a) wealthy gay couple" after his divorce. He also very vocally opposed running on a gay marriage amendment:

His thoughts on the gay-marriage amendment? "I don't think you should run a campaign on this issue," he told the Daily News earlier this month. "I think it would be a mistake for anybody to run a campaign on it -- the Democrats, the president, or anybody else."

Here's more from the New York Daily News:

"Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage.

The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.

"I don't think it's ripe for decision at this point," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani..."

Although Rudy may grudgingly say he doesn't support gay marriage (and it would be political suicide for him to do otherwise), where he really stands on the issue is an open question.

Pro-Illegal Immigration

As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed:

"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."

That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:

"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."

If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.

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Liberals like Giuliani represent a threat to the security of this country and its people, and to the constitutional principles that protect them, no matter how many times you claim otherwise, and spin, spin, spin...

"He therefore is the truest friend to the liberty of this country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who, so far as his power and influence extend, will not suffer a man to be chosen into any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man....The sum of all is, if we would most truly enjoy this gift of Heaven, let us become a virtuous people."

- Samuel Adams

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hi again...can I be on the ping list for this...I can't believe there are actually people, freepers even, going to take his running seriously.

[Post-Neolithic]

"All polling refutes your post. Like it or not the base likes Rudy."

You mean like the polling during 1988 that said G.H.W. Bush was trailing both Republican nominees by 20+ points? Or maybe the one that had Du-Screw-Us up by 30+ points in the Presidential polls?

The point is that Polls are garbage, wait until the MSM stops playing nice with Rudy and starts bringing up his positions.

Most Americans, unless you lived in NY during Rudy's stint, have no idea what Rudy stands for. Kind of like Kerry's war bravado, until the word leaked out about his Anti-War stances he stood a pretty good chance of beating President Bush in the 2004 election and we all know how that ended up.

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What if Rudy stated that 9/11 had changed his views and then moved more into the Conservative camp by abandoning those positions listed; how do you think he would fair then?

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FReepers are taking Rudy seriously because he has a solid record of fiscal and national security conservatism.

[EternalVigilance]

The Second Amendment is the fundamental bulwark for the security and liberty of the American people. We have a God-given, unalienable right to protect ourselves, our families, our communities and our country. In fact, we have a duty to do so.

Rudy Giuliani is an enemy of the Second Amendment, and therefore is an enemy of the God-given rights of the American people. Your spin on his behalf is false in the extreme.

"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." - Benjamin Franklin

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The point is that Polls are garbage,

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Boy ....that's what many freepers were saying last October.

And if they are all bogus and a MSM plot why do they have so many FR's unhinged?

[EternalVigilance]

FReepers are taking Rudy seriously because he has a solid record of fiscal and national security conservatism.

BS. He has no such credentials. And, we're "taking him seriously" for the same reason we're taking Hillary seriously: He's a liberal enemy of conservatism and constitutional liberty that we don't want to see in power.

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"What if Rudy stated that 9/11 had changed his views and then moved more into the Conservative camp by abandoning those positions listed; how do you think he would fair then"?

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I don't expect him to do this, it would end, once and forever, his future chances as a New York politician.
He will have a tough time convincing me of his honesty, anytime he claims to change his philosophy.

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What if Rudy stated that 9/11 had changed his views and then moved more into the Conservative camp by abandoning those positions listed; how do you think he would fair then?

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I think he will do exactly that especially in regards to securing the border.

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BS. He has no such credentials.

Yeah, promoting NYC school-choice vouchers and kicking the losers off of the city's welfare rolls are just a figment of my imagination.

And, we're "taking him seriously" for the same reason we're taking Hillary seriously

Taking Hillary seriously means supporting a strong center-right candidate with impeccable executive and law-enforcement experience, instead of career Congresscritters trying to fulfill a wet dream.

He's a liberal enemy of conservatism and constitutional liberty that we don't want to see in power.

The "rights" of hustling squee-gee men and gun-packing gangbangers are important, I tell ya!

[Afronaut]

Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, [Giuliani] told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." The Daily News quoted [Giuliani] as saying that March: "Whether you talk about President Clinton, Senator Dole.... The country would be in very good hands in the hands of any of that group."

Revealing at one point that he was "open" to the idea of endorsing Clinton, he explained: "When I ran for mayor both times, '89 and '93, I promised people that I would be, if not bipartisan, at least open to the possibility of supporting Democrats."