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Another Rudy article this from his nemisis the NYTimes. ....he sure is getting a lot of ink.
1 posted on 01/28/2007 10:18:41 AM PST by Blackirish
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To: Blackirish
The question facing Rudy is whether enough Democrats would vote for him to win.
2 posted on 01/28/2007 10:28:22 AM PST by Barnacle (Where's the wall? Where's the wall!?)
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To: Blackirish
"Another Rudy article this from his nemisis the NYTimes. ....he sure is getting a lot of ink."

Most likely because if Rudy wins the Republican nod it's a win/win for them. If Rudy is President they get a Liberal, if She who wears the pants is President they get a liberal.

They also know that if Rudy gets the nod it's an almost certainty that Pants will win. 10-15 percent of the Conservative vote is Christian(they will never support a Pro-Abort/Pro-Gay candidate), at least 60 percent of the voting public, Democrats and Republicans, are gun rights supporters(They would never support an Anti-Second amendment politician like Rudy).

It's almost as if Rudy is being forced down our throats so that we will lose in 2008.

3 posted on 01/28/2007 10:30:34 AM PST by Post-Neolithic (Money only makes Communists rich Communists)
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To: Blackirish

My top concerns with Rudy are guns, abortion and homo support, all of which he has a track record as mayor with.


4 posted on 01/28/2007 10:30:35 AM PST by umgud (The profound is only so to those that it is.)
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On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." -Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.


The Real Rudy Giuliani:

From Human Events:

Rudy's Strong Pro-Abortion Stance

As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.

I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...

Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.

Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."

Worse yet, Giuliani even supports partial birth abortion:

"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999

It's bad enough that Rudy is so adamantly pro-abortion, but consider what that could mean when it comes time to select Supreme Court Justices. Does the description of Giuliani that you've just read make you think he's going to select an originalist like Clarence Thomas, who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- or does it make you think he would prefer justices like Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who'd leave Roe v. Wade in place?

Rudy's abortion stance is bad news for conservatives who are pro-life or who are concerned about getting originalist judges on the Supreme Court.

An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate

In the last couple of election cycles, 2nd Amendment issues have moved to the back burner mainly because even Democratic candidates have learned that being tagged with the "gun grabber" label is political poison.

Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.

Do Republicans really want to abandon their strong 2nd Amendment stance by selecting a pro-gun control nominee?

Soft on Gay Marriage

Other than tax cuts, the biggest domestic issue of the 2004 election was President Bush's support of a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as being between a man and a woman. Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani has taken a "Kerryesque" position on gay marriage.

Although Rudy, like John Kerry, has said that marriage should remain between a man and a woman, he also supports civil unions, "marched in gay-pride parades" ...dressed up in drag on national television for a skit on Saturday Night Live (and moved in with a) wealthy gay couple" after his divorce. He also very vocally opposed running on a gay marriage amendment:

His thoughts on the gay-marriage amendment? "I don't think you should run a campaign on this issue," he told the Daily News earlier this month. "I think it would be a mistake for anybody to run a campaign on it -- the Democrats, the president, or anybody else."

Here's more from the New York Daily News:

"Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage.

The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.

"I don't think it's ripe for decision at this point," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani..."

Although Rudy may grudgingly say he doesn't support gay marriage (and it would be political suicide for him to do otherwise), where he really stands on the issue is an open question.

Pro-Illegal Immigration

As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed:

"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."

That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:

"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."

If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.

CLICK HERE TO READ MORE OF GIULIANI'S LEFT-WING POLITICAL POSITIONS

8 posted on 01/28/2007 10:49:11 AM PST by NapkinUser (http://www.teamtancredo.com/)
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To: Blackirish
Why is the GOP even considering somebody without any executive experience?
Even worse is his stance on Abortion and other conservative fundamental issues. .
No money from my wallet for RHINO' this election.
45 posted on 01/28/2007 11:58:44 AM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: Blackirish

Giuliani was awarded the Reagan Medal of Freedom.

Reagan admired Giuliani and appointed to his to the #3 position at the Justice Department.

Of all the books sold at Reagan's online library, Giuliani's book Leadership is one of the few not about Reagan himself or presidential airplanes or ships.


55 posted on 01/28/2007 12:14:13 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Blackirish

Remember this gun owners:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1774286/posts


98 posted on 01/28/2007 12:45:31 PM PST by do the dhue (DEM ARE RATS!!!!!)
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To: Blackirish

If we don't continue to fight and win the war on terror...nothing else will matter. If we need to elect Rudy for that reason only...He will have my vote. We can fight out the social issues, but if we lose the war...my already born children will be in perile.

What is so difficult to understand about that?

This election really is a matter of life and death.


144 posted on 01/28/2007 5:16:15 PM PST by KsSunflower
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To: Blackirish

The Anti-Rudyites are in full shriek I see. Don't worry. The idea of President Giuiliani will grow on you. Particularly when you consider the alternative, President Clinton II


145 posted on 01/28/2007 5:16:26 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: Blackirish

**Giuliani Is Sounding More Like a Candidate**

Of course he is!

Security bump.


150 posted on 01/28/2007 5:28:38 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Blackirish

I think ALL the candidates have realized that the game of "pretending to be reluctant" is dead.

the NYT is pushing rudy because the NYT is heavily staffed by homosexuals or pro-homosexuals and Rudy Guiliani (and John McCain) both essentially support homsoexual marriage.

Rudy does the Kerryesque civil union BS.

McCain outright supports homosexual marriage per the Vanity Fair article.

We are essentially in the presidential election.


163 posted on 01/28/2007 6:13:13 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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