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Indy has nothing we'd want (Chicago Sportswriter Disses Indiana & Colts Big Time)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | January 28, 2007 | GREG COUCH Sun-Times Columnist

Posted on 01/28/2007 5:36:34 AM PST by Chi-townChief

It has become one of the great American sports traditions, the political bet. A major game gets people all worked up and happy at the same time, not worrying about snow removal, potholes or taxes. And that makes it safe for a governor or mayor to get in on it. So rival politicians bet something that screams out the identity of their hometowns. Two weeks ago the Bears beat the Seattle Seahawks, and Mayor Daley took Seattle Mayor Greg Nickles for beer, coffee and salmon. (Too bad that when the stuff arrived, the beer bottles had broken and drenched the coffee-flavored chocolates.) Last week the Bears beat the New Orleans Saints, and Mayor Daley won beignets.

But with the Bears about to play the Indianapolis Colts in the Super Bowl, we have a problem:

What could Indiana possibly have to bet that we would want?

I mean, Chicago can offer Indiana pizza, ribs, beef sandwiches and dental work. But do we really need ballcaps with farm company names on them?

Rumor has it Indianapolis Gov. Mitch Daniels wants to offer up Gary.

I don't often admit this, but I have some friends in Indiana. I called them to ask what they could bet.

''How about corn?''

We have corn.

''Soy?''

Another Indiana friend said they love their pork-tenderloin sandwiches, and that did sound good.

''Pork tenderloin and a carton of cigarettes,'' he said.

Someone else suggested tickets to the Indy 500, but there are two problems with that: One, they just drive around in circles all day. Two, we have to go to Indiana to see it.

Indiana has a serious image problem in Chicago. To us, it seems like a big truck stop between cities.

A few years ago, my brother-in-law started dating a woman from Fort Wayne. Before meeting her, I had to keep reminding myself to talk slowly and not stare at her tooth.

Channeling Royko Indiana has Notre Dame, but that always seemed like a Chicago school filled with Chicago kids. They had a great movie, ''Hoosiers.'' But the story of Illinois' tiny Hebron was just as good. Their greatest sports hero is a guy who wore red sweaters, threw chairs across a basketball court and choked his own players. Eventually, they kicked him out.

''Eli Lilly is based in Indianapolis,'' a friend said.

Yes, but why would we need Prozac if the Bears win?

''They also make Cialis.''

Here's a thought: If the Bears win, then Indiana gives back Eric Gordon. He's the high school basketball phenom from Indianapolis who had committed to the Illini until new Indiana coach Kelvin Sampson got him to change his mind.

I do have a thing against Indiana. It is ingrained in all Chicagoans. And then confirmed through experience.

For Chicagoans, these feelings came to a head in 1982 with Mike Royko's columns in the Sun-Times. And part of the fun was watching Indiana people get so uppity about it.

''For most males in Indiana, a real good time consists of putting on bib overalls and a cap bearing the name of a farm equipment company and sauntering to a gas station to sit around and gossip about how Elmer couldn't get his pickup truck started that morning,'' he wrote.

And this: ''Its only large cities are Indianapolis and Gary, which give you the choice of dying of boredom or of multiple gunshot wounds.''

God, he would have loved this Bears-Colts week.

One time in Indianapolis, I went to grab some dinner just after 10 p.m., and everything was closed. I ended up having to go to a White Castle, where I stood in line for 20 minutes behind a hooker and a pimp. I wrote about that once, and several people from Indiana asked why I wanted to eat that late in the first place.

Once after a basketball game, I went to a nearby bar in downtown Indianapolis. The place was packed with everyone having fun, and they were playing retro music from the 1970s. It was a nice community thing, how everyone had bought into the whole theme and dressed in 1970s clothes and hair.

Turned out, that wasn't a theme.

Do they know what a Hoosier is? These people excitedly call themselves Hoosiers, without knowing what it means. There all sorts of theories. In the old days, Indiana people were so rough that they always would fight in bars. By the end of the night, someone would see a piece of something on the floor and ask, ''Whose ear?'' Eventually, that morphed into Hoosier.

But on indiana.edu, Jeffrey Graf of the reference department of the Indiana University Libraries says that Southerners used to use the term Hoosier ''to denote a rustic, a bumpkin, a countryman, a roughneck, a hick or an awkward, uncouth or unskilled fellow.''

He described the ''cousins'' of the word Hoosier to be ''cracker'' and ''redneck.''

So here's the deal: If the Colts win, Indiana promises to keep its stuff.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: bears; bearsgotspanked; colts; hoosiersrule; superbowl
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To: Paige
Before meeting her? This is not funny...and have you seen the welfare recipients in Chicago?

No. Is that were Indiana boys go for action when the sheep aren't available?

81 posted on 01/29/2007 5:44:20 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

DO what ??? English please.


82 posted on 01/29/2007 5:51:33 AM PST by Paige
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To: joebuck
Peyton will feast on this defense.

Really? And how many interceptions does Manning have during the last three games? What's his quarterback rating vs. Grossman during the playoffs this year? I think you'll see at least 5 Indianapolis turnovers, three time-consuming Chicago drives, and Indianapolis slinking home with it's tail between it's legs after losing 24 to 10.

All this talk by the pundits reminds me of Super Bowl 35. Nobody gave Baltimore a chance, all defense and no offense isn't supposed to win anything. The Giants had Kerry Collins and Tiki Barber and were supposed to run roughshod over the Ravens. Well, 5 turnovers and 4 sacks later with Dilfer playing unexciting but mistake-free football, the Giants went home wondering what happened. Colts fans would do well to study history.

83 posted on 01/29/2007 5:56:58 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Paige
Gary should be named Little Chicago. Run down, infested with gangs, poverty, and another welfare area.

Which would make Indianapolis what? Big Gary?

84 posted on 01/29/2007 5:58:08 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: John W
"Indy has nothing we'd want"
Not yet.

Very nice. Well done.

Go Colts!

85 posted on 01/29/2007 5:59:03 AM PST by Teacher317 (Are you familiar with the writings of Shan Yu?)
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To: nascarnation
If you're into auto racing, it's unbeatable.

We've got the Kansas Speedway not too far from my home. The popular title for it is The Mecca of Red Neckka.

86 posted on 01/29/2007 6:01:11 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Chi-townChief
I wrote about that once, and several people from Indiana asked why I wanted to eat that late in the first place.

Folks, this is exactly what they would say!

87 posted on 01/29/2007 6:07:37 AM PST by HIDEK6
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To: Non-Sequitur

Something didn't ring true to me in your description of SB XXXV.So, I went and looked as anyone here is welcome to do.Any number of sources indicate the Ravens were 3-point favorites entering that game.So, I studied my history for this morning.


88 posted on 01/29/2007 6:11:04 AM PST by John W
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To: Non-Sequitur
And how many interceptions does Manning have during the last three games? What's his quarterback rating vs. Grossman during the playoffs this year? ...
Colts fans would do well to study history.

Want some recent history to explain those statistics?

Manning played against the #1, #2, #11, and #5 defenses since Christmas...
Grossman faced the #13 Saints, #19 Seahawks, and the #26 Packers. In fact, Rex hasn't faced a Top Twelve defense since November (adding the #29 Lions, #21 Buccaneers, #27 Rams, and the #14 Vikings)

Indy'd defense was ranked #22 for the regular season, but clearly their D has stepped up since the return of Bob Sanders, and with DT McFarland getting acclimated to his new team. They lost both starting DT's early this year to non-football injuries, and were playing our FIFTH string option, a rookie CB, at safety. Now that those huge gaps have been plugged, they're averaging 16 pts per playoff game, whch would put them at #4 in the NFL in the regular season. Going back to the MNF game vs Cincy, the D is averaging 19 ppg, which puts them at #8 in the NFL. Clearly, this isn't a 22nd ranked unit.

By the way, the Colts and Bears played 5 common opponents this year... with the Colts going 6-0 (beating the Patriots twice), and the Bears 3-2. (The Bears lost at Foxboro, and at home to the Dolphins. The Colts won with those settings.)

89 posted on 01/29/2007 6:14:27 AM PST by Teacher317 (Are you familiar with the writings of Shan Yu?)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Quality of life, cheaper housing, beautiful downtown, etc.

As I said, I am not getting into this. If you live in Chicago, I hope you enjoy it. I like to visit there in the summer.

90 posted on 01/29/2007 6:17:35 AM PST by Miss Marple (Prayers for Jemian's son,: Lord, please keep him safe and bring him home .)
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To: Teacher317
It's been 36 years & 18 days since the Colts put this item on their fingers:


It's been 21 years & 9 days since the Bears put this item on their fingers:


Which one of these are going to need updating after next Sunday?
91 posted on 01/29/2007 6:20:29 AM PST by NCC-1701 (To boldly go where no FReeper has gone before. Live long and prosper.)
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To: mcg2000
rush-hour traffic 24/7, midwest oil refinery pricing, political corruption ....

You forgot another,the Cubs.:)~ Which reminds me of a joke.

Whats the difference between Bush stadium and Wriggly Field?

They sell hotdogs in Bush Stadium in October!

92 posted on 01/29/2007 6:21:47 AM PST by painter (We celebrate liberty which comes from God not from government.)
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To: Chi-townChief

"Indy has nothing we'd want"

How about a big dose of "COMMON SENSE", Indiana seems to have a lot of it lately and Chicago has NONE


93 posted on 01/29/2007 6:22:14 AM PST by BobinIL
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To: Chi-townChief
. . . It was a nice community thing, how everyone had bought into the whole theme and dressed in 1970s clothes and hair.

Turned out, that wasn't a theme.

That's funny right there.

94 posted on 01/29/2007 6:22:26 AM PST by Petronski (Who am I and why am I here?)
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To: Non-Sequitur

The Giants were 8 and 1/2 point dogs against the Ravens. No one expected them to run roughshod over this defense. I am a season ticket holder for Baltimore since 2000 and this years defense was only slightly not as good as the 2000 Ravens SB Championship team.

This years Bears team is good but they play in the NFC which is now the weaker conference. That's where you will see the difference.


95 posted on 01/29/2007 6:28:40 AM PST by DarthVader (Conservatives aren't always right , but Liberals are almost always wrong.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
The HUGE question marks for the Colts...

1. Can they win on grass? Their last 3 games on the natural stuff were losses, all to division opponents during the stretch run to the playoffs. Miami has grass.

2. Can they play special teams? Ellis Hobbs made them look like college kids... and the Bears' Devin Hester has set two NFL records for returns so far... and he's a rookie.

3. Can the Colts stop the Bears if they refuse to punt past mid-field? The Pats went 4-for-4 on 4th down against the Colts in two games this year... needing 11 yds, they got 77 yds. For the year, the Colts converted ZERO 4th downs... and gave up 14-of-18 4th down conversions (78%).

4. Can they stop Grossman? Of course, which is why Lovie Smith will stick with the ground game... until it's time to unleash Grossman's true talent - the 40-yd laser. (Rex's main problem is that he can't throw that pass every down!) Look for two bombs on 3rd-and-short... especially since the Colts tend to play conservatively and get back to basics when the game gets grinding. They are very susceptible to trick plays. (In fact, in 2004, Jeff Fisher's Titans converted THREE onsides kicks (in one half!!) and three long TD passes to Drew Bennett on short yardage downs. They still lost, but it showed a real weakness.)

5. If the Bears play like the Texans, rather than the Patriots, they have a great shot. In their last game vs the Colts, Houston had a take-away on the Colts' first drive (and the Bears are turn-over experts... and every Colt ball-handler has either had a hand injury or a fumble in the playoffs... inlcuding Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Rhodes, Wilkins, Utecht and even lineman Charlie Johnson - on a kick reurn - last week). After that, they ran, and ran, and ran. The Colts only had 5 more possessions for the game, and scored on four of them (80%), with 3 for TD's... and it wasn't enough. The Patriots had SIX running plays in the last 37:30. They put the ball in Bradys hands, instead of playing keeep-away-from-Manning.

Lovie Smith will NOT do that to Rex Grossman. If they can convert like the Texans did (10-of-14, plus 1-for-1 on fourth down), then the Colts must score on every drive to overcome the likely field position advantage that Hester and the opportunistic Bears defense will give them.

It should be a great Super Bowl!!!

96 posted on 01/29/2007 6:30:05 AM PST by Teacher317 (Are you familiar with the writings of Shan Yu?)
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To: Chi-townChief
''Its only large cities are Indianapolis and Gary, which give you the choice of dying of boredom or of multiple gunshot wounds.''

Hilarious that anyone from Chicago would talk about people dying of multiple gunshot wounds in any other city.

97 posted on 01/29/2007 6:34:32 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: Sir Hailstone

The Bart Peterson/Julia Carson/Frank Anderson troika is doing a fine job in making Indy look more like other urban cesspools.
Lugar's brilliant idea of Unigov kept this town Republican a lot longer than most, but eventually the Repubs headed to the surrounding counties and the Rats are now firmly (and sadly) in control.


98 posted on 01/29/2007 7:04:35 AM PST by nascarnation
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To: You Dirty Rats

" ... Gary, which give you the choice of dying of boredom or of multiple gunshot wounds.''

AND I think we can all agree that Gary is definitely in Chicago's "sphere of influence".


99 posted on 01/29/2007 7:06:21 AM PST by Let's Roll ("...given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor - you will have war"- W.Churchill)
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To: mcg2000
The writer comes across as a jack @$$. I am originally from Indy and it is a nice place. I usually try to spend two weeks there each Summer such as going to Broad Ripple, go on the Monon trail and other connecting trails as well. I also enjoy a drive down to Bloomington and goof around there as well.

At least it is kind of a quiet place where Californian's don't want to go to and ruin it with their liberalism unlike here in Colorado today !
100 posted on 01/29/2007 7:10:15 AM PST by CORedneck
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