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Tough sell for Hillary may swing nomination
The Daily Telegraph ^ | January 27, 2007 | Toby Harnden

Posted on 01/27/2007 2:48:08 AM PST by MadIvan

Forget the glitzy Hollywood fundraisers and the big-money donors in Manhattan.

To win the White House, Senator Hillary Clinton needs to sit down in the diners of the frozen flatlands of Iowa and, over coffee and buttered pancakes, persuade folks that she understands them.

It will be a hard sell. But Iowa holds the first presidential caucuses, considered a crucial test of popularity, and she arrives here today.

In a local poll this week, she was placed fourth for the Democratic nomination.

The breakfast crowd in the 1950s-style Drake Diner in Des Moines, where Mrs Clinton stopped for a chocolate malt three years ago on her last visit to the state, doubt that she can close the gap.

"I just don't know if the US is ready for a woman president," said Genelle Chladek, who waited on Mrs Clinton then and remembers a "very gracious" tip. "I'm just impressed a woman would make the move but there's a fear factor."

There is a question over whether Mrs Clinton has the common touch. "She came in with the Secret Service and about six others," said Mrs Chladek. "She sat way inside the booth as kind of a protection manoeuvre, though she did visit people as she left."

A stop at the diner is a rite of passage for candidates. "People grill 'em when they come in here," said Shannon Traczyk, the manager. "It's fun to watch.

"The east and west coasts are more corporate and intellectual. Here, it's the heartland."

Iowa, a farm state that produces much of America's corn and pork, is sparsely populated and has never elected a woman to Congress or as governor. "In politics, you have show horses and work horses," said Rick Schulenburg, 58, who, like many Iowans, looks at the candidates as if judging an agricultural contest. "Hillary is more of a show horse. She puts her finger in the wind, sees which way it's blowing and that's the position she takes."

John Edwards, a former senator who just missed becoming vice-president in 2004, has visited Iowa 17 times since the last election. He leads the local polls, ahead of Senator Barack Obama.

Both want immediate troop withdrawals from Iraq, while Mrs Clinton's stance is more cautious. Her initial support for a now deeply unpopular war could cost her dearly.

"I don't know if people will vote for Hillary – I hear mixed opinions," said Miss Traczyk, who recalled that the last time Mr Edwards was in he took a "to go" meal. "If she comes in and starts talking to people we'll get a better sense of who she is. But she's a star, a celebrity, so that might be hard to do.

"She's got a cold image and there's the whole Monica Lewinsky thing. I don't think people understand her position with Bill's infidelities."

Miss Traczyk favoured Mr Obama, saying he had "that Kennedy factor".

When Bill Clinton won the presidency in 1992, he skipped the Iowa caucuses. These days, that would be too big a risk. In 2004, John Kerry secured the Democratic nomination by winning Iowa. This time, the race has begun so early that the caucuses are more important than ever.

Even Mrs Clinton's backers in the diner feared for her prospects. "I'm definitely a fan," said Cheri Adair, 67, who works with victims of crime.

"I want the Democrats to win big time. But I'm afraid that she will be nominated and not be elected and lose it for the party."


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If I were in Iowa, I'd be taking a trip elsewhere.

Regards, Ivan

1 posted on 01/27/2007 2:48:09 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: Mrs Ivan; odds; DCPatriot; Deetes; Barset; fanfan; LadyofShalott; Tolik; mtngrl@vrwc; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 01/27/2007 2:48:31 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan
*sigh* I think Iowegians have more sense than to pick Hillary. But then again, since she is defeatable, it might be better to hope they don't.
3 posted on 01/27/2007 2:55:49 AM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: MadIvan

Sounds good to me.


4 posted on 01/27/2007 3:03:30 AM PST by Brit1 ( By strength and guile .)
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To: MadIvan

Mrs. Clinton couldn't wait to get far away from the heartland folks of Arkansas looking down her nose at them.
The folks of Iowa are the same type of good downhome people.
I think they will see Mrs. Clinton for what she is, full of herself and just not one of them.


5 posted on 01/27/2007 3:11:48 AM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: MadIvan
Miss Traczyk favoured Mr Obama, saying he had "that Kennedy factor".

So much for the wisdom of the common man/woman...

6 posted on 01/27/2007 3:19:30 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Republican, Bostonian, Bush supporter, atheist, pro-lifer)
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To: MadIvan
There is a question over whether Mrs Clinton has the common touch.

Sure she does. She swears at and maligns her Secret Service and treats the military around her like servants. She's got the common touch alright. In fact she even says she has the "common" in her thoughts.

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"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." -Hillary Rodham Clinton, 6/28/04 ...

7 posted on 01/27/2007 3:21:40 AM PST by beyond the sea ( All lies and jest, still the man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest)
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To: Joe Boucher
I think they will see Mrs. Clinton for what she is, full of herself and just not one of them.

No politician is "one of them." I've never voted for someone be cause he is "one of us," because none of them are, but because whoever they were they had the right take on the issues. But as you point out, HRC is so out there, so much a creature of the media and the left, she lost any pretention to being in contact with the concerns of the working class decades ago, if she ever had them beyond that liberal condescension for those "beneath" them.

8 posted on 01/27/2007 3:21:43 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Republican, Bostonian, Bush supporter, atheist, pro-lifer)
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To: MadIvan
Ivan, I hope that Hitlery actually tries to ruse the populist vote. She will simply self destruct. Hitlery is a stone cold aristocrat, and cannot take hanging out with the ordinary people of America without paternalistically lecturing them.

Hitlery will be revealed in all her witchy glory.

Go Hitlery Go! Mmmmmmmm! Butterd pancakes for your THIGHNESS!

LOL.

9 posted on 01/27/2007 3:26:47 AM PST by Candor7
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"To win the White House, Senator Hillary Clinton needs to sit down in the diners of the frozen flatlands of Iowa and, over coffee and buttered pancakes, persuade folks that she understands them. "

Isn't this the reason her camp wants to make all the primaries around the same time, to avoid an Iowa?

Fnny, haven't heard it mentioned in the MSM.


10 posted on 01/27/2007 3:34:55 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (The Clintons: A Malignant Malfeasance of the Most Morbid)
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To: MadIvan

Of course, if they don't "understand her", she'll just give 'em the Billy Dale treatment.


11 posted on 01/27/2007 3:39:01 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: MadIvan
Hillary + Pancakes = Wider Load!

She'll never fit back on the bus!

12 posted on 01/27/2007 3:41:33 AM PST by haywoodwebb (Christ died for our sins.)
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"I don't think people understand her position with Bill's infidelities."

Even Democrats are beginning to wonder about this.
Bill cheats, Hillary does...NOTHING.
They don't live together, Bill STILL cheats...NOTHING is done.

Normal women with a shred of self respect would divorce such a jerk, but not Hillary. Buba raises too much money.

I think the issue boils down to this: Is Hillary Codependent?
13 posted on 01/27/2007 3:44:10 AM PST by Cyclops08
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To: MadIvan
The problem isn't a woman president (though there are only one or two that I would vote for). The problem is Hitlery herself!

This woman is absolutely despicable and evil!
14 posted on 01/27/2007 3:49:50 AM PST by proudofthesouth (Mao said that power comes at the point of a rifle; I say FREEDOM does.)
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To: MadIvan
"Hillary is more of a show horse. She puts her finger in the wind, sees which way it's blowing and that's the position she takes."

She's a nag, destined for the glue factory.

15 posted on 01/27/2007 3:50:21 AM PST by csvset
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To: MadIvan

Hillary prefers to do her "chatting" from a remote, undisclosed location, not sitting in an Iowa cafe w/a cup of coffee and real live person.


16 posted on 01/27/2007 3:56:49 AM PST by Carolinamom (Whatever you voted for, you did not vote for failure -- President Bush SOTU)
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To: Joe Boucher
The folks of Iowa are the same type of good downhome people.

And yet, they elect swine like Dungheap Harkin!

17 posted on 01/27/2007 4:03:50 AM PST by jslade (The beatings well cease when morale improves!)
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To: beyond the sea
I think I'd pay double for those pancakes just to sit across the table from her and ask: "So Mrs. Clinton, can you tell me how to turn a 1000% profit in the cattle futures market?"

Or maybe I'd ask something like: "I've got some papers I need to keep out of the public eye for a couple of years. Would you mind if I stashed them in your bedroom?"

Or maybe I'd ask: "Why didn't you rip your old mans b**** off when you found out he was sticking cigars into that intern?"

Or maybe I'd ask: "Can I borrow your copy of 'Leaves of Grass'?"

Or maybe: "Do you plan to tell the truth at the Stan Lee trial?"

The possibilities boggle the mind.

L

18 posted on 01/27/2007 4:05:11 AM PST by Lurker (Europeans killed 6 million Jews. As a reward they got 40 million Moslems. Karma's a bitch.)
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To: csvset

I was just having a couple cookies and a small glass of milk before going back to bed.

I read your post and snort-sprayed a goodly swallow of milk right out my nose. :>


19 posted on 01/27/2007 4:05:58 AM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Cyclops08

Who is Bill Clinton doing these days? Any word from the celebrity news?


20 posted on 01/27/2007 4:06:55 AM PST by NCLaw441
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