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January 27, 2007 | AdamSmithWasRight

Posted on 01/26/2007 9:16:25 AM PST by AdamSmithWasRight

As I read the news day in and day out from my perspective of being on the inside looking out, I look at my own home and couldn't be any more embarrassed than I currently am. It has been compounded from 9/11 by constant images and stories in the media about the actions of the Muslim community.

I must admit to myself if I was on the outside looking in I would probably look at myself in the same way so many others do. If all I saw were nihilistic thugs raping, robbing, murdering, and littering the streets of the world with the bodies of innocent people I wouldn't know what else to think of this group of people for religion.

As I now sit inside of the United States I find myself looking at this house in two perspectives. At times from the inside looking out and wanting to escape for this image that has haunts me day in and day out but also at times from the outside looking in. It is these proud patriotic times when religion takes the passenger seat or well I should say, isn't even in the car, that I look at that house and think, "Don't you people get it???"

At moments like this I realize and force myself to accept the reality that the real problem here is the Muslim community itself. It is no longer the fundamentalsits or Al-Qaeda alone, rather the very community itself that has failed to deliver or even show an attempt to remedy this nihilistic ideology within their ranks. As an American but also as a Muslim I would like to convey my most sincere apologies although I know to most this are just empty words in light of the death and injury of so many. For most we have reached a point where apologies and words will do nothing but further agitate the situation. Rather what is needed is action.

It is this which I do recognize and wish deliver, but I realize that I can only do this with help from others. I would hope that the American people, my brothers and sisters, would not so easily give up on the Bush doctrine of changing the face of the middle east where this dangerous threat to world civility and humanity is found. If we hope to find change I believe we can only find it in the overthrowing and or absolute destruction of the very regimes and elements that support this authoritarinism from within their midst. As long as we hold on to the Bush doctrine I honestly believe that we can one day watch the purple fingers of freedom wave from Morocco to Indonesia.

Until that day, if it comes, I apologize my friends and ask you to stick with the President and his vision for a new middle east.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Your Opinion/Questions
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To: Jazzman1

You are a wise individual.


261 posted on 01/26/2007 3:45:19 PM PST by sport
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To: Nathan Zachary

You are correct.


262 posted on 01/26/2007 3:49:02 PM PST by sport
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To: jcb1379
When it is taken as it is MEANT, however, it refers to all those things to which Liberty entitles us. It is not used in the religious context in the preamble.

ROTFLMAO...I think you're WHOLE post is and more specifically ....you... are lacking intelligence!

263 posted on 01/26/2007 4:01:06 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: fr_freak

I've never said that Islam and Christianity have a similar worldview. In fact, if you look, I pointed out that for Muslims, all of reality is dependent upon the continual will of Allah, whereas for Christians, God created a rational, self-functioning Universe.

Now, socially, we are in total agreement, I think: this is a "Christian nation" for all intents and purposes. SOCIALLY. But LEGALLY, it is a country that protects the freedom of ALL religions, and all non-religions. Period. Christianity was not codified in the Constitution. Period.

Theology is not the issue here--citizenship is. You CAN be American and whatever religion you choose or don't choose. Maybe AdamSmithWasRight is not a "good" Muslim because he keeps his loyalty to his country, but that doesn't make him any less a citizen.


264 posted on 01/26/2007 4:02:13 PM PST by jcb1379
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To: presidio9

Ok, your point is...? My point is that neither Christianity nor Islam are ETHNIC RELIGIONS. If I were a Jew, that would describe my race as well as my religion. If I am a Christian, I might be British, I might be Mexican, I might be African, whatever. If I am a Muslim I might be American, I might be Mexican, I might be British, I might be Egyptian.

I am quite aware of "Mahometans" in the Revolutionary period. Not sure what that has to do with the Framers.


265 posted on 01/26/2007 4:05:36 PM PST by jcb1379
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To: Stark_GOP

"Democracy" is right next to "God" in the Constitution.





We aren't a democracy. We are a democratic republic. Citizens vote (the "democratic" part) for representatives (the "republic" part).

I never said we are a democracy. Athens was a democracy. Rome was a republic. We are more Roman than Greek.


266 posted on 01/26/2007 4:12:34 PM PST by jcb1379
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To: Stark_GOP
Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution
267 posted on 01/26/2007 4:13:23 PM PST by jcb1379
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To: AdamSmithWasRight

That is a point that seems to be unapparent to many of the people on this board.


268 posted on 01/26/2007 4:15:40 PM PST by jcb1379
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To: I got the rope

You're [sic] post made me laugh, as you obviously haven't the capacity for critical thinking. Using the word "blessings" no more denotes a religious meaning (when not used in a religious context) any more than produce is implied when talking about the "fruits of your labor."


269 posted on 01/26/2007 4:29:07 PM PST by jcb1379
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To: pollyannaish

Hey thanks - and I have read the Old Testament. No offense taken. However, as I used to be an OT follower - fire and brimstone kind of guy - I now like the NT. I am an imperfect Christian and thank God every day he gives me another chance to do right.


270 posted on 01/26/2007 4:36:17 PM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: pollyannaish

I'm with you - let's win this thing.


271 posted on 01/26/2007 4:37:20 PM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Wolfstar

Good answer. I have no reply.


272 posted on 01/26/2007 4:40:29 PM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: edcoil
You cannot be an American and also a muslim.

Were you wearing your white sheet when you typed that?

273 posted on 01/26/2007 4:41:53 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Wolfstar
Kind of like when Khrushchev was giving a speech and he was asked why he didn't stand up to Stalin in the midst of the horrible crimes the Soviets were committing against the Russian people. Khrushchev very angrily lashed out by saying "Who said that?!" He was met with silence. He asked again, "Who said that?!" Silence. Then he said, very calmly, "Now you know why."
274 posted on 01/26/2007 4:43:32 PM PST by jcb1379
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To: Stark_GOP

You're ridiculous.


275 posted on 01/26/2007 4:59:19 PM PST by ilovew (Anybody but Hillary '08)
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To: jcb1379
You're [sic] post made me laugh, as you obviously haven't the capacity for critical thinking.

No...I haven't the capacity for doublethink.

276 posted on 01/26/2007 5:05:20 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: I got the rope

Have you the capacity for singlethink? You keep dodging the points. Address it point by point, THEN tell me I'm not intelligent.


277 posted on 01/26/2007 5:06:18 PM PST by jcb1379
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To: jcb1379
What? Now I have to define simple words to lightweight pseudo-freepers. I feel like I'm trying to debate a high school kid. You may want to "believe" or have "faith" that the word blessings has no religious connotations, but that doesn't make it true.

Believe what you want...it's a free country! ROTFLMAO!

278 posted on 01/26/2007 5:19:27 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: jcb1379
Theology is not the issue here--citizenship is. You CAN be American and whatever religion you choose or don't choose.

Yes, legally there is no question that, currently, Muslims, as well as all other religious practitioners, can be citizens of the United States. But I did not think we were arguing the letter of the law, but whether, from a practical and ideological sense, Muslims can be Americans in spirit and in practice. Citizenship these days is a mere piece of paper. The real question is whether an individual can be a functioning member of American society, upholding American ideological and cultural principles. I believe that Islam is incompatible with the American political system as it exists today. American political concepts such as freedom of speech, assembly, religion, etc. are antithetical to Islam, and Islam is antithetical to those concepts. There are other non-Christian religions which can blend in just fine - Buddhism for example. Islam cannot.
279 posted on 01/26/2007 5:26:48 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Ditto

Well, that much is true. I see a lot of hate directed towards Mormons from Christians, much as you described.

The point that Brigitte Gabriel makes, and I agree, is that while people in other countries (particularly Arab countries) cannot speak out for fear of their lives, there is no reason why they cannot do so in this country.

Is there risk? Yes. But if the vast majority of Muslims are intimidated into silence, shouldn't they do something? As she said, if HER faith was being hijacked, you must either risk speaking out or leave the religion.


280 posted on 01/26/2007 5:37:35 PM PST by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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