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January 27, 2007 | AdamSmithWasRight

Posted on 01/26/2007 9:16:25 AM PST by AdamSmithWasRight

As I read the news day in and day out from my perspective of being on the inside looking out, I look at my own home and couldn't be any more embarrassed than I currently am. It has been compounded from 9/11 by constant images and stories in the media about the actions of the Muslim community.

I must admit to myself if I was on the outside looking in I would probably look at myself in the same way so many others do. If all I saw were nihilistic thugs raping, robbing, murdering, and littering the streets of the world with the bodies of innocent people I wouldn't know what else to think of this group of people for religion.

As I now sit inside of the United States I find myself looking at this house in two perspectives. At times from the inside looking out and wanting to escape for this image that has haunts me day in and day out but also at times from the outside looking in. It is these proud patriotic times when religion takes the passenger seat or well I should say, isn't even in the car, that I look at that house and think, "Don't you people get it???"

At moments like this I realize and force myself to accept the reality that the real problem here is the Muslim community itself. It is no longer the fundamentalsits or Al-Qaeda alone, rather the very community itself that has failed to deliver or even show an attempt to remedy this nihilistic ideology within their ranks. As an American but also as a Muslim I would like to convey my most sincere apologies although I know to most this are just empty words in light of the death and injury of so many. For most we have reached a point where apologies and words will do nothing but further agitate the situation. Rather what is needed is action.

It is this which I do recognize and wish deliver, but I realize that I can only do this with help from others. I would hope that the American people, my brothers and sisters, would not so easily give up on the Bush doctrine of changing the face of the middle east where this dangerous threat to world civility and humanity is found. If we hope to find change I believe we can only find it in the overthrowing and or absolute destruction of the very regimes and elements that support this authoritarinism from within their midst. As long as we hold on to the Bush doctrine I honestly believe that we can one day watch the purple fingers of freedom wave from Morocco to Indonesia.

Until that day, if it comes, I apologize my friends and ask you to stick with the President and his vision for a new middle east.


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To: bkepley

I ask the question everyone else has asked - where are these moderate Muslims? If the Islamofacists are in the minority, how come the majority refuses to rise up and cast them out? How come they are not marching against the Islamofacists? How come they are not throwing out the lunatic Immans? And they just do not want to destory Israel and also the west. They want to destroy everything not Muslim. Just ask the Indians and the Asian nations.


101 posted on 01/26/2007 10:50:31 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: jcb1379

I disagree. I think it is indeed an issue. Rabbis, Priests and Baptists can devoutly follow the teachings of their religions without coming into conflict of those not of their faith. With what I would guess are very rare exceptions, most Christian or Jewish sects do not preach lying in wait for people of other faiths and attacking them wherever you can. (Someone else here may be able to speak to that)

However, there is a segment of the muslim population, and not an insubstantial one, that believes that in an ideal world, according to the teachings of the prophet, you are either Islamic, submissive to Islamic rule, banished to somewhere else or dead.

While it is true that many devout Christians live their lives according to the teachings of the Bible, the teachings of the Bible are not considered to invasively rule the lives of its followers.

The Koran is different, at least according to a large portion of Muslims. It is considered a template or instruction manual on exactly how followers of Islam should conduct their affairs. For many, to deviate is apostasy, and as I said earlier, apostates of Christianity or Judaism have a very, very different burden (at least in this world) than apostates of Islam.

So I do think it IS an appropriate issue to consider.


102 posted on 01/26/2007 10:50:43 AM PST by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: dljordan

I ask the question everyone else has asked - where are these moderate Muslims? If the Islamofacists are in the minority, how come the majority refuses to rise up and cast them out? How come they are not marching against the Islamofacists? How come they are not throwing out the lunatic Immans? And they just do not want to destory Israel and also the west. They want to destroy everything not Muslim. Just ask the Indians and the Asian nations.


103 posted on 01/26/2007 10:50:46 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: rlmorel

Brigitte Gabriel is a compelling speaker and writer. I thought her story about the take over of Lebanon was bone-chilling. How about the part that the Muzzies would stop people on the road and, if they were Christians, they would kill the whole family right there.

She said the Israelis would come up there and train them to use weapons -- "All those fancy degrees were USELESS against people who wanted to kill us." THAT, to me, was a word for our country. We have the fancy degrees, we have the ordered society, we have the yearning for peace -- but these have very little to offer against blood-thirsty jihadists who want to take over.

Everyone should read her book.


104 posted on 01/26/2007 10:51:56 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: RS; jan in Colorado

ping


105 posted on 01/26/2007 10:53:40 AM PST by Gondring (qu)
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To: heartwood

And as a fellow Christian, we work within the law in an attempt to change the sordid abortion policy within the United States. When someone acts beyond Christian beliefs by murdering abortion doctors or bombing abortion clinics, you see Christians throughout the nation rising up and stating THIS IS NOT OUR WAY AND NOT THE WAY TO CHANGE THIS POLICY. However, you do not see this from the Muslim side.


106 posted on 01/26/2007 10:53:41 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Not all mainstream Christians have moved beyond taking the Bible literally, as demonstrated by the unending arguments over evolution vs. Genesis (as though the two were mutually exclusive). Similarly, I would not presume to say that all billion or so Muslims on the planet are rigid jihadist fundamentalists.


107 posted on 01/26/2007 10:54:29 AM PST by Wolfstar ("A nation that hates its Horatios is already in grave danger of losing its soul." Dr. Jack Wheeler)
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To: Wolfstar

I ask the question everyone else has asked - where are these moderate Muslims? If the Islamofacists are in the minority, how come the majority refuses to rise up and cast them out? How come they are not marching against the Islamofacists? How come they are not throwing out the lunatic Immans? And they just do not want to destory Israel and also the west. They want to destroy everything not Muslim. Just ask the Indians and the Asian nations.


108 posted on 01/26/2007 10:54:48 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: 7thson
Do you know any muslims? The ones I have met and talked to certainly aren't trying to knock down buildings and blow themselves up. And they don't support it, either.

When you paint with the broad brush of "all muslims," you are almost certain to be wrong.
109 posted on 01/26/2007 10:55:20 AM PST by mysterio
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To: 7thson
I ask the question everyone else has asked - where are these moderate Muslims?

Well, for starters, one started this thread. Sheesh.

Second of all, do a little research. They are everywhere, but as scared to death of the extremists as we are...thanks to the press among other things. At the moment, they are in the minority. But they have help us EVERYWHERE throughout the world because they are as worried as we are. DO NOT RELY ON THE MSM TO SPOONFEED YOU THIS STORY. Moderate Muslims need our support desperately.

110 posted on 01/26/2007 10:56:20 AM PST by pollyannaish
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To: jcb1379
Christians believe in a personal God who died for our salvation--the Constitution makes no such mention. Christian morality is based on the Ten Commandments and the commands of Christ--the Constitution makes no such mention. So I guess one can't be Christian and American, either, eh?

Given the history of the US, there is no possible way that a reasonable human being can conclude that Christian philosophy is not innate to the formation of our system of government. You might want to reread the Declaration of Independence, and some of the state constitutions (which were not seen as conflicting with the US Constitution).
111 posted on 01/26/2007 10:56:26 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: bboop
All anyone has to do is just observe the actions of Islam throughout history, and throughout the world today. There is no better example of what Islam is than the actions of it adherents.
If you call a bloody trail of blood wherever Islam goes as "peaceful", then God help you. 99.9 % of wars today are ISlam. And before anyone says "crusades crusades| They were retalitory- to what? Why the Muhammadan crusades of course!
112 posted on 01/26/2007 10:57:14 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: pollyannaish

If a Muslim community is made up mostly of moderates, who come lunatic leaders continue to spew at their mosques?


113 posted on 01/26/2007 10:58:08 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: mysterio

Are they helping the government root out any Muslim they know that want to maim and kill?


114 posted on 01/26/2007 10:59:00 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Huh? Sorry, the Gospel is the same as it always was. As for the Koran and hadith, there is no other way to read them. It isn't inspired, and it can't be twisted to mean anything other than what it does. Try reading it sometime.

I've read the Koran. Lots of things I find objectionable, but then there are things in the Bible I'm glad aren't being implemented now too.
115 posted on 01/26/2007 10:59:15 AM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: mysterio
" When you paint with the broad brush of "all muslims," you are almost certain to be wrong."

Yeah, they read some magical invisible peaceful Koran..../s

Maybe you should step off this continent and take a good look around. If there are 'peaceful Muslims, they sure hide well.

116 posted on 01/26/2007 11:01:10 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: 7thson
If the Islamofacists are in the minority, how come the majority refuses to rise up and cast them out?

I was referring to the ones in this country. Whether the non-radicals are a minority in the Middle East is debateable. There are enough armed radicals in the Middle East to keep the more moderate ones quiet.

117 posted on 01/26/2007 11:03:38 AM PST by Always Right
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To: rlmorel
I am reading Mark Steyn's book, America Alone. It is not a pretty picture. He also tackles the subject of moderate Muslims and concludes that many of them do not exist.

And to those of you who ask if I know any Muslims. No, I do not. But it got me thinking. I am going to assign myself a project. I will picj up the Koran and read it. Then I will seek out Muslims - there is a Mosque in my community - and ask them questions. Such as - which has higher precedence - Sharia law or the Constitution? Is a Jew a pig? Is a Jew descended from pigs? Am I an infidel? Are women free people or objects to own? I will get back to all of you a few months down the line, if I don't get my head chopped off first!

118 posted on 01/26/2007 11:04:06 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Always Right

I am refering to the ones in this country also! Where are their protests against radical Islam?


119 posted on 01/26/2007 11:05:04 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: 7thson
It is NOT mostly made up of moderates...that is the problem at this juncture. The extremists have gotten the upper hand.

However, just because moderating forces are not the majority, or the face of Islam currently, it doesn't mean they aren't there...or that there are only three of them in the entire world.

There are millions of them in a Muslim population of billions. And those millions are the ones we need to support. Reformation can not be imposed from the outside in. It must be accomplished through internal struggle. Meanwhile, our job is to do whatever we can politically to help these internal reformers do their jobs and avoid being killed in the process. This is a monumental struggle we have been all too happy to ignore for the past 35ish years...until it began to affect us. Now it can no longer be ignored and to simply write of billions of people in the world because of their religion only ensures that the struggle will be longer. We must find allies within the Muslim community.

I wish I could communicate this more clearly, because this is the ESSENTIAL element to winning the overall war on terror.
120 posted on 01/26/2007 11:05:14 AM PST by pollyannaish
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