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Giuliani Leads By Principle
Bradenton Herald ^ | 1/24/07

Posted on 01/24/2007 8:21:42 AM PST by areafiftyone

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To: Alberta's Child
I have no doubt in my mind that Rudy Giuliani is a very principled person (he's a breath of fresh air, in that regard).

My concern is that most of his stated principles are anathema to principled conservatives.

I asked you before to just give him a chance to tell us what his position is. Stop reading your crystal ball and just give the man a chance. Isn't it what principled conservatives do, or did I get that wrong? I know that's what I do.

Let's see what he has to say. He hasn't even officially announced that he will run, has he?

121 posted on 01/24/2007 6:38:10 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: nopardons
Running in a primary costs a LOT of money. It also takes political backing from BIG GUNS, and a huge, well oiled machine to win a presidential primary. Forget about the MSM...we're talking about GOPers here. :-)

Caan't argue with that.

Let's say hypothetically that Tancredo and Paul drop out before the primary elections leaving Rudy, Mitt, McCain and Hunter. I have no doubt that Hunter will get the support of pro-gun groups such as the NRA and GOA, will get the support of pro-life organizations, and will also garner the support of limited government/anti-tax groups.

If that situation plays out, I really feel as if Hunter will be able to split the liberal/moderate vote and actually win this thing. Where is my logic in this lacking?

122 posted on 01/24/2007 7:09:28 PM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Stop reading your crystal ball and just give the man a chance. Isn't it what principled conservatives do, or did I get that wrong?

Conservatives are also aware enough to know political flip-flopping when they see it. Witness the Kerry '04 efforts.

123 posted on 01/24/2007 7:11:39 PM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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To: jmc813
Conservatives are also aware enough to know political flip-flopping when they see it.

Oh yes, just like many conservatives saw the election results coming last november? Just how many seats was the GOP going to gain? Want to tell me again? LOL

124 posted on 01/24/2007 7:18:10 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Conservatives are also aware enough to know political flip-flopping when they see it.

Oh yes, just like many conservatives saw the election results coming last november? Just how many seats was the GOP going to gain? Want to tell me again? LOL

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Is there a particular race involving flip-flopping on issues from last year that you're referring to?

125 posted on 01/24/2007 7:20:45 PM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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To: EagleUSA
The liberals have to be fought and controlled. And not pandered to.

Where do you see Rudy pandering to liberals? You're talking about a guy who stood up to the liberal NYC media, the worst kind of liberals.

You guys need to give Rudy a chance.

126 posted on 01/24/2007 7:22:29 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Forgot your tagline? Click here)
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To: mysterio
Guliani is too in love with big government

Rudy cut taxes and the size of gov't as Mayor.

127 posted on 01/24/2007 7:23:15 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Forgot your tagline? Click here)
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To: antisocial
His style of law and order is to take away my 2nd amendment rights

Name one law-abiding citizen he cracked down on.

128 posted on 01/24/2007 7:28:55 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Forgot your tagline? Click here)
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To: jmc813
Obviously, I'm referring to your "awareness" and the fact that you seem to know when someone flip flops. That confidence in judgment pretty much reminds me of the misplaced confidence many folks around here had last November results.

Put it simply, some conservatives don't have clarity when it comes to evaluating political dynamics. Many Freepers were in deep denial going into election 2006. Indeed, many are still in denial.

Hope that helps.

129 posted on 01/24/2007 7:29:29 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: jmc813
Let's say that Tancredo and and EVERYONE else, who is running in the primary, except Rudy, Romney, McCain, and Hunter drops put. Hey, let's even say that they all drop by right after New Hampshire and they all, yes ALL of them give EVERYTHING they have ( which won't happen, because politicians NEVER hand over money! )to Hunter. That would still put Duncan behind where Rudy is right now, this very minute. It would even put him behind where Romney is right now.

Primaries take a LOT of money and backing to win. Rudy and McCain and Romney ( though Mitt lags behind the other two ), have already got the lion's share of it all and are busily working to get much more.

What has Duncan Hunter got, besides a few fans here? He has NO team. He has NO backing. He has NO money from the BIG GUNS and a few people from FR aren't going to be able to do for him, what Soros and MoveOn and the Daily Kos and DU did for Dean.I do NOT say any of this in spite or hatred. I am NOT doing anything but state simple fact.

If FR really WAS "powerful", reality would look a lot different than it does.

You have no logic; just wishes and dreams.

How many presidential campaigns have you worked on and I don't mean just putting a yard sign out and/or stuffing envelopes? And if you have done, how many were successful?

I am asking you these questions, because I would like to know how much actual knowledge you have of the inside workings of such a campaign, from primary to general election to election night.

You can "feel" to your heart's content; that won't make it so. Hunter isn't going to "split" any "liberal/moderate" votes. And he can't beat Hillary nor Obama or even Edwards.

Yes, I have read his resume. Yes, I have heard him speak on T.V. No, he isn't going to be the GREAT RIGHT HOPE.

130 posted on 01/24/2007 8:24:03 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Victoria Delsoul

And don't forget...Graf was going to win in a landslide, because of his stance on the border.


131 posted on 01/24/2007 8:25:33 PM PST by nopardons
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To: mysterio
Ron Paul can't get elected to anything but his House seat.

If by some very weird quirk of fate ( ain't gonna happen! ), he would absolutely NOTHING through Congress! He has NO support there; NONE!

Do you believe that a president is a king or an emperor or a dictator, who can do whatever he wants, by just proclaiming it to be so? That's what it looks like.

He could veto every single bit of legislation and it WOULD all be overridden.

In all sincerity and civility, I heartily suggest that you go learn how this government of ours works; you appear to not know nor understand a scintilla of that.

132 posted on 01/24/2007 8:39:03 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

If you want my vote, present a candidate that puts the Constitution first and will fight for smaller, less intrusive government. I know Ron Paul would do that. I'm not convinced Guliani would.


133 posted on 01/24/2007 8:54:16 PM PST by mysterio
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To: mysterio
If Ron Paul is your litmus test, of who you will vote for, then opt out and don't vote. He will NEVER be anything but what he is now and is NOT what most people want for a president. The man is a Libertarian, running as a GOPer, because he couldn't get elected anything as a Libertarian.

You have NO idea, whatsoever, what Paul would or would not do. And his record is not anything to be touted nor proud of.

134 posted on 01/24/2007 9:42:58 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

So vote Guliani or don't vote? That's your advice?


135 posted on 01/24/2007 10:11:42 PM PST by mysterio
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To: nopardons

Voting Rino Rudy does one thing it gives aid and comfort the liberals. No thanks. I am more then willing to vote for all but three of the people talked about or running for the nomination. The three I am not willing to do anything for are Rudy McRomney. If any of those three liberals get teh nod I will go third party.


136 posted on 01/25/2007 5:42:21 AM PST by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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