Nearly two-thirds in U.S. have given up on Iraq (two-thirds of U.S. are losers)

MSNBC ^ | 1/22/2007 | Mark Murray

[tobyhill]

WASHINGTON - When President Bush delivers his next-to-last State of the Union address Tuesday night, he will confront this reality, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll: Nearly two-thirds of Americans appear to have given up on success in Iraq and also on his presidency.

In addition, the poll finds that nearly another two-thirds believe he shouldn’t move ahead with his troop increase to Iraq, if Congress passes a non-binding resolution opposing it. And it shows that just two in 10 want Bush taking the lead role in setting policy for the country.

“Essentially, the president is really in the cellar of public opinion,” says Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted this poll with Republican Bill McInturff. “As he faces the audience for his State of the Union, he’s going to find a mood dramatically different to the mood that greeted him at his second inaugural.”

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"I agree. You get no arguement from me."

You get none from me, either. ;)

[oneamericanvoice]

The only place we are losing anything is in the media right here at home. We are not, repeat after me, losing the occupation. Those that think that we are need to get their news from someplace other than NBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, Daily Kos, MoveON, The World Can't Wait, International ANSWER, Code Pink, Women In Black, etc. The President's numbers are in the tank because the American public can't think critically and listen to news sources that are merely mouthpieces for the Left. They wouldn't be able to get it unless it were printed on the side of their Starbuck's cup. These are the same people who think that John Lennon's "Imagine" is a great song, when in fact, it is one of the worst songs ever written.

[swheats]

It would seem many don't have a clue whose representing them in the Congress and yet they have a firm opinion on what's really happening in Iraq.

Today's media...who can believe 'em.

[FreedomNeocon]

I see you have your own version of reality, then....

There ALWAYS HAS BEEN a problem with Islam.

That IS the "Islamic things".

Why don't you try a little research.

We don't hope that at all. In fact, we're actively fighting people like you - Wilsonian liberal Republicans - for control of this party.

If you desire peace, prepare for war. Your pollyannish view of the world is naive.

As to Iraq, the best endgame we can hope for in that theater or operations in this larger war is a relatively free Kurdistan. You can NOT have a free country with Islam in its constitution. The two are diametric opposites. Perhaps you could be bothered to research Kemalism? I'm betting not.



Above are you comments I put together since they weren't answering anything but rather continuing your rant irregardless of my words. Again, if you want to be a bigot or a TRUE xenophobe (lending credence the the majority of the accusations that are BS), thats your perogative, and fine by me, but also completely irrelvant to my statement.

My original reply was to someone who said how they were all about the war and supported it but looking back asked "if anyone really thinks it was worth it" so deal with it.

[org.whodat]

I think the complaints that the administration didn't have a after action plan is right on.

I don't think they had much of a pre-action plan. Disbanded the military and let them go home to raise hell. Drove by millions of tons of high munitions, etc. etc. What can you say. Now for two years they have let Jihadist build private armies,and they wonder what went wrong??

[lmr]

Let me put is simply-Islam is incompatible with Western Civilization.

I don't think any Conservative here wants to destroy 1 billion Muslims. To say that the religion has issues is to point to truth. Truth that has existed for over 1000 years. It isn't bigotry, nor is it painting them all with the same brush.

Aside from being incompatible with Democracy, Islam is intellectually and morally inferior to our way of life.

The problem with Islam is that the rest of the World's religions may have had similar issues hundreds of years ago, but evolved and joined the modern World we have today. Islam stayed in the dark ages. We need to bring it out of the dark ages, turn them away from their babarity and make them join the rest of civilization.

Force can work, if we use it like we did in World War 2, not the PC war we are fighting now. We didn't have to kill all the Germans or Japanese to win. We fought until we broke their will and took away their capability to cause us harm. That is what needs to be done with Islam.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"Above are you comments I put together since they weren't answering anything but rather continuing your rant irregardless of my words. "

I was responding to you. You're just too blind to see it.

", if you want to be a bigot or a TRUE xenophobe (lending credence the the majority of the accusations that are BS), thats your perogative, and fine by me, but also completely irrelvant to my statement. "

Thought you were a liberal. This just confirms it. Can't be bothered to actually research an issue....

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"That is what needs to be done with Islam."

Quite correct. Because we lack the will to address this now, as Reagan did with Communism, it's going to get much worse and more will die on both sides.

[oneamericanvoice]

There are many of us that haven't given up on Iraq, and know the stakes if we were to do so. But our thoughts are not relevant according to the MSM.

We are winning. It isn't a "can", unless we allow the Democrats/Left to, and bring about our defeat.

You mention a change of tactics. We are always changing tactics. The battle field is a fluid environment, not a static one. There isn't a commander that doesn't know that. What would you suggest we do.

I too, am upset at the illegal immigration issue, however, GW has done more than any president in recent times, yet you wouldn't think so. Also, there are things going on that you and I aren't privy to with regard to the illegals, and to Iraq. For instance, did you know that the President was instrumental in having Deputy Sherrif David March's murderer extradited from Mexico? I'll take GW over the others any day. Hang in there.

[SandRat]

Same crap the Presstitues and the Left did during Nam.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"GW has done more than any president in recent times, yet you wouldn't think so."

On what do you base this claim?

[mickie]

Sgt. your post #8 hits the nail on the head!

Dito, dito, dito...........everybody here should read it again.

[mickie]

Count me in!

Got my passport and ready to go.

senior citizens ok?

[oneamericanvoice]

There has already been a victory as evidenced by the FREE elections with more than one candidate on the ballot. The Kurds in northern Iraq are an example of the kind of democracy Iraq can be. BTW, they just named their university after us to honor America for the liberation of Iraq.

There was a Arab summit recently that Secretary Rice attended. Eight Arab nations including Saudi Arabia stated that they are in favor of the surge.

Those fleeing Christians would much prefer democracy than a theocracy or dictatorship.

[do the dhue]

I have not and will not waver, tire, falter, or fail. Peace and freedom will prevail.

[sport]

I would go with 3/4th.

[beansox]

It doesnt matter if its true or not. The sheeple believe it to be true and thats all that matters.

[oneamericanvoice]

Wow! If you have to ask...but since you did.

* Freed two countries and therefore millions of people.
And by so doing ended people being fed into wood chippers, people being barbequed in front of relatives, state sponsored rape rooms, state sponsored torture chambers, children being imprisoned, children being maimed and tortured, etc.
BTW, the Kurds have named their new university, The American University of Iraq.
* Gave those two countries FREE elections with more than one candidate on the ballot.
* Women are allowed to vote in Afghanistan for the first time in history.
* Nearly all of Iraqis have been immunized.
* There are people in Iraq that have electricity for the first time.
* People getting fresh water for the first time.
* People getting medical attention and medicine.
* Rebuilding schools that Saddam left to shambles.

Domestically
* No terrorist attacks since 9-11
* Tore down the walls between intelligence agencies that made it impossible or difficult to share info.
* Tax cuts. Not tax increases.
* Ecomony is growing as demonstrated by the record DOW.
* Low unemployment.
* Increased alternative energy production
* Increased that R&D of alternative energy
* No Child Left Behind
* Got rid of the "Death Tax"
* Appointed two judges to the Supreme Court
* Deployed drones to patrol the southern border.

This is by no means comprehensive, but it's a start.

[EnochPowellWasRight]

"* Freed two countries and therefore millions of people. "

Not in itself a Constitutional power of government. It's nice and all, but that was NOT why we deposed Saddam.

"Gave those two countries FREE elections with more than one candidate on the ballot."

We allowed constitutions that enshrined Islam as the highest law. Apostasy is punishable by DEATH in "free" Afghanistan.

"Women are allowed to vote in Afghanistan for the first time in history.
* Nearly all of Iraqis have been immunized.
* There are people in Iraq that have electricity for the first time.
* People getting fresh water for the first time.
* People getting medical attention and medicine.
* Rebuilding schools that Saddam left to shambles. "

That's nice and all, but it's not only "nation building", but that in itself is also no reason to go to war. Helping Iraq was no more a reason to go to war with them than helping Germany was a reason to go to war with THEM in 1941.

If you're interested, the ACTUAL reasons are spelled out clearly in the Congressional Authorization. Saddam was a bad guy. So is the King of Saudi Arabia. I don't see us deposing him anytime soon.

Sometimes I wonder if anyone here actually understands the proper function of our government. All these things are ONLY proper where they serve US interests, NOT OTHERWISE.

" Tore down the walls between intelligence agencies that made it impossible or difficult to share info. "

That's actually fairly false.

"Tax cuts. Not tax increases."

Not permanent tax cuts.

"Increased alternative energy production "

Not yet.

"No Child Left Behind "

Disgustingly unconstitutional overreach. In short, a LIBERAL POLICY. Perhaps you might reconsider this in your list?

"Appointed two judges to the Supreme Court?"

1 required some screaming from us "unappeasables", as I recall.

"Deployed drones to patrol the southern border. "

I'm sorry, but a handful of Predator drones does not a secure border make. Not when they've admitted that upwards of 5 million illegals entered in 2006....