Posted on 01/20/2007 9:07:49 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
What do you get when you cross a gas pump nozzle with a Thompson submachine gun? No, it's not a joke. It's a new and rather unconventional .45-caliber (.45 ACP) subgun that attenuates/mitigates felt recoil and muzzle rise/climb--thus increasing controllability--on full-auto by putting the bore axis at or slightly below the centerline of the shooter's fist and forearm and combining that ergonomic aspect with a mechanical recoil attenuation/mitigation system. It's called the KRISS Super V Sub-machine gun, and it's brought to you by the good folks at Transformational Defense Industries (TDI), headquartered in Washington, D.C.
That's more than a little ironic. Think about it--a select-fire (full-auto capable) small arm being developed in D.C., one of the most anti-legal-firearms-ownership/anti-Second Amendment cities in the country. Most likely, TDI's manufacturing facility is located outside the District (in an actual state, somewhere), and it would seem logical that their testing facility would be located somewhere in Virginia. We'll look into it.
TDI claims that in addition to reducing felt recoil and muzzle rise on full-auto, the KRISS's unique design reduces weapon weight by as much as 50%. The total number of parts (including moving parts) is supposed to also be lower, but DefRev doesn't have a parts count, yet. According to the company, the KRISS Super V subgun can be adapted to other calibers. We assume this means that 9mm (9x19mm) and .40 S&W versions are possible.
The TDI website states that the KRISS prototype has already been "extensively analyzed and tested by the US Army Picatinny Arsenal" (NJ), and that the the KRISS weapons platform "has proven itself to be a major step forward that can equip the war fighters of today with the ability to deliver a large quantity of high impact rounds with the accuracy that can only come from a low-recoil, light-weight weapon."
DefenseReview will try to acquire the results of those tests, ASAP. In the meantime, we highly recommend that our readers take a look at the KRISS Super V Sub-machine gun video clip (link below). From viewing the video clip, it's DefRev's opinion that TDI needs to do a just a few things with regard to further developing the KRISS:
1) Develop a 30-round magazine, or make the KRISS compatible with Thompson 30-round box mags.
2) Redesign and elongate the magwell so it can be used as a vertical foregrip, or design an actual vertical foregrip (fixed or folding) for the weapon. If a folding vertical foregrip is designed, it must be sturdy/robust. If a separate vertical foregrip is added, the barrel will most likely have to be lengthened slightly. Without a vertical foregrip, the firing method employed by the test shooters in the TDI video clip looks just a wee-bit dangerous for the shooter, as the support hand must be placed awfully close to the muzzle during full-auto fire. It just doesn't look safe to us. A robust vertical foregrip would provide for a much more secure (and thus safer) hold. It would also allow the KRISS to be used as a less-lethal blunt impact weapon for CQB/CQC (Close Quarters Battel/Close Quarters Combat), where lethal force isn't necessarily required.
3) Reduce the weapon's cyclic rate/rate-of-fire (ROF) a bit.
We have to be honest--DefenseReview can't wait to get our hands on this rather handy-looking package as soon as we possibly can. Unless the company's video clip is deceiving, it just has to be fun to shoot. It's just too weird-looking not to be.
Right-Click here to download and watch TDI's video clip of the KRISS Super V Sub-machine gun prototype (.45 ACP) being fired on full-auto at the range. Once you right-click on the link, just click on "Save Target As" to download it to (and save it on) your computer.
Click here to view Armed Forces Journal's (AFJ) slow-motion video clip of the KRISS prototype .45 ACP being fired on full-auto. Again, keep your eyes on the muzzle as the weapon is fired one-handed on full-auto. The weapon remains controllable, although it looks like there's a bit of torque.
Click here to read what Armed Forces Journal (AFJ) had to say about the KRISS prototype .45 ACP, after they ran it at the 2005 Shoot-out at Blackwater.
If you'd like to get more info on the KRISS Super V Submachine gun, DefRev suggests that you contact Transformational Defense Industries (TDI) by phone at 202-719-4572, or by fax at 202-719-3123. Ask for Andrew Finn. Mr. Finn is TDI's Senior Vice President. TDI is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Gamma Research & Technologies, which is headquartered in Switzerland.
http://www.transformationaldefenseindustries.com/
http://www.transformationaldefenseindustries.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3&Itemid=6
Ah, so you admit the criminals can get what they want, while we civvies can't? What happened to the "ban 'em so the baddies don't get 'em"? oh, that's right, reality intervened...
Ah. They're OK in your hands, but not in mine.
"Drug dealers use the cheapest POS guns they can find. They're not going to be carrying these, no matter what sara brady telly you."
Agreed. I was at a gunshow this weekend and you could pick out the the thugs a mile away just from the garbage they were toting around. They scooped up about any cheap piece of crap that had a folding stock and flash suppressor. Just so long as it looked "bad" that was all that was important to them.
Interesting....if the action and magazine well are already long enough for the .45ACP, they should be able to accomodate the 10mm Auto. While the round is a little much for some people in a handgun, the recoil reducing features of this design should dampen it substantially and it potentially offers quite a bit more muzzle energy than the .40, to say nothing of the increased magazine capacity one would get over the .45.
H&K made a limited run of MP5 series weapons in 10mm which were very well received in some *communities.*
I was talking about guns. I only have a B.A. If you what to pretend to be a PhD, that's up to you.
You're talking about the original MAC guns, which were indeed reliable, if not controlable without the supressor. I'm talking about the current production junkers available now. Sorry about the confusion.
Williams (among others) invented the tappet gas system used on the M1 carbine.
Cops don't like the idea of civilians owning guns, do they (you)?
Keep an eye on Tiajuana?
Concur. And except for the pilots and drivers who used 'em, most serious users did indeed go for the Sionics can up front rather than that danglestrap that tried to serve as a front grip, but was often seen with a neat little round hole or two burned through it.
Some of the current *M11/9* guns can be reworked to run okay with a little attention and modification to use the steel magazine of the Madsen M50 or the Swedish K. Even adaptations that use old Sten gun magazines are seen, and usually run reasonably reliably on the target range.
So, I assume "Carbine" Williams is a nickname?
I've been mourning the passing of the old "grease gun" but this could definitely cheer me up!
. . . While "Nicky the Nose" Remains Extremely Calm. 
Machine Gun Kelly could write his name on the side of a barn with a Tommy gun.
Trek Tommy Gun ping.
See post above.
You were the semi illiterate who said they were smarter than anyone one else. From your post it's apparent you're not, you knew nothing of the history and us of the weapon you denigrated.. People like you should post their expertise if they have them. I doubt if you even have the liberal arts degree. However, my minor was in engineering and I have hand made more than one gun. To go with my other rusty one.
That is too cool. When do they go on sale? How much? Gotta have one!
Now you've proved you and your little liberal arts degree don't know much. Especially about gun law's. You can make anything you want, they even sell kits for people who don't know much. You could even build a machine gun up to a few years back, you just were required to register it. There would be no custom guns at all if it were illegal to build them. So when did it become illegal to build a custom target rifle.
Second I never said I had a doctorate, you made the meathead statement that you were better educated. And to have been so you would have needed the doctorate.
At least you admitted you were lying about having a PhD, but you still don't know shit. Try building an unregistered gun and see what happens. Your grammar and spelling makes me doubt you have a GED.
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