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KRISS of Death: Unconventional and Deadly .45 ACP Subgun Makes It's Debut
Defense Review ^ | 1/20/07 | David Crane

Posted on 01/20/2007 9:07:49 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

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To: stm

Ah, so you admit the criminals can get what they want, while we civvies can't? What happened to the "ban 'em so the baddies don't get 'em"? oh, that's right, reality intervened...


121 posted on 01/22/2007 10:43:39 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: stm

Ah. They're OK in your hands, but not in mine.


122 posted on 01/22/2007 10:47:16 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: ozzymandus

"Drug dealers use the cheapest POS guns they can find. They're not going to be carrying these, no matter what sara brady telly you."

Agreed. I was at a gunshow this weekend and you could pick out the the thugs a mile away just from the garbage they were toting around. They scooped up about any cheap piece of crap that had a folding stock and flash suppressor. Just so long as it looked "bad" that was all that was important to them.


123 posted on 01/22/2007 10:53:38 AM PST by flying Elvis ("In...War, the errors which proceed from a spirit of benevolence are the worst" Clausewitz.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
"According to the company, the KRISS Super V subgun can be adapted to other calibers. We assume this means that 9mm (9x19mm) and .40 S&W versions are possible."

Interesting....if the action and magazine well are already long enough for the .45ACP, they should be able to accomodate the 10mm Auto. While the round is a little much for some people in a handgun, the recoil reducing features of this design should dampen it substantially and it potentially offers quite a bit more muzzle energy than the .40, to say nothing of the increased magazine capacity one would get over the .45.

H&K made a limited run of MP5 series weapons in 10mm which were very well received in some *communities.*

124 posted on 01/22/2007 10:55:28 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Voted Free Republic's Most Eligible Bachelor: 2006. Love them Diebold machines.)
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To: org.whodat

I was talking about guns. I only have a B.A. If you what to pretend to be a PhD, that's up to you.


125 posted on 01/22/2007 12:07:45 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: archy

You're talking about the original MAC guns, which were indeed reliable, if not controlable without the supressor. I'm talking about the current production junkers available now. Sorry about the confusion.


126 posted on 01/22/2007 12:11:20 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: LexBaird

Williams (among others) invented the tappet gas system used on the M1 carbine.


127 posted on 01/22/2007 12:13:15 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: stm

Cops don't like the idea of civilians owning guns, do they (you)?


128 posted on 01/22/2007 12:16:33 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: stm
Drug dealers mouths are watering from coast to coast. Let's hope these things never find their way to the civilian market.

Keep an eye on Tiajuana?

129 posted on 01/22/2007 12:26:47 PM PST by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: ozzymandus; backhoe
You're talking about the original MAC guns, which were indeed reliable, if not controlable without the supressor. I'm talking about the current production junkers available now. Sorry about the confusion.

Concur. And except for the pilots and drivers who used 'em, most serious users did indeed go for the Sionics can up front rather than that danglestrap that tried to serve as a front grip, but was often seen with a neat little round hole or two burned through it.

Some of the current *M11/9* guns can be reworked to run okay with a little attention and modification to use the steel magazine of the Madsen M50 or the Swedish K. Even adaptations that use old Sten gun magazines are seen, and usually run reasonably reliably on the target range.

How to scare birds with an M11/9

How to NOT scare birds with a suppressed M11/9....

130 posted on 01/22/2007 2:02:58 PM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: ozzymandus

So, I assume "Carbine" Williams is a nickname?


131 posted on 01/22/2007 2:19:22 PM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

I've been mourning the passing of the old "grease gun" but this could definitely cheer me up!


132 posted on 01/22/2007 2:22:06 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: kiriath_jearim
Picard Goes Nuts

. . . While "Nicky the Nose" Remains Extremely Calm.

133 posted on 01/22/2007 2:25:44 PM PST by fishtank
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To: kiriath_jearim

Machine Gun Kelly could write his name on the side of a barn with a Tommy gun.


134 posted on 01/22/2007 2:28:35 PM PST by Tribune7 (Conservatives hold bad behavior against their leaders. Dims don't.)
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To: Tamar1973

Trek Tommy Gun ping.

See post above.


135 posted on 01/22/2007 2:28:42 PM PST by fishtank
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To: ozzymandus
I was talking about guns. I only have a B.A. If you what to pretend to be a PhD, that's up to you.

You were the semi illiterate who said they were smarter than anyone one else. From your post it's apparent you're not, you knew nothing of the history and us of the weapon you denigrated.. People like you should post their expertise if they have them. I doubt if you even have the liberal arts degree. However, my minor was in engineering and I have hand made more than one gun. To go with my other rusty one.

136 posted on 01/23/2007 8:51:10 AM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: org.whodat
Well, "Doctor", I hope you had the paperwork from the BATF when you "hand made more than one gun" since otherwise you committed a federal felony. Personally, I thing you're full of bullshit.
137 posted on 01/23/2007 11:56:10 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: kiriath_jearim

That is too cool. When do they go on sale? How much? Gotta have one!


138 posted on 01/23/2007 12:06:43 PM PST by Doomonyou (Holy Cow!)
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To: ozzymandus
Personally,

Now you've proved you and your little liberal arts degree don't know much. Especially about gun law's. You can make anything you want, they even sell kits for people who don't know much. You could even build a machine gun up to a few years back, you just were required to register it. There would be no custom guns at all if it were illegal to build them. So when did it become illegal to build a custom target rifle.

Second I never said I had a doctorate, you made the meathead statement that you were better educated. And to have been so you would have needed the doctorate.

139 posted on 01/23/2007 3:32:35 PM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: org.whodat

At least you admitted you were lying about having a PhD, but you still don't know shit. Try building an unregistered gun and see what happens. Your grammar and spelling makes me doubt you have a GED.


140 posted on 01/23/2007 6:09:06 PM PST by ozzymandus
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