Republicans 2008: Giuliani 28%, McCain 20%

Angus Reid Global Monitor ^ | 1/20/2007 | Staff

[Fierce Allegiance]

That's why Rudy's gonna win.

I pray to God, for the sake of my country, Rudy is not the republican candidate. We need a conservative, not a gun grabbing asspirate loving baby hooverer type.

[nopardons]

Newt is not nearly as "Conservative" as you seem to think he is.

[HitmanLV]

Three states that Dubya won but Newt wouldn't win are:

Nevada
New Mexico
Ohio

add Colorado and maybe even Florida. Newt is a poor national candidate.

[metalurgist]

We're doomed.

At least a President Hillary! will once again unite the Republican party in a common cause.

Viva La Revolution!

[Austin Willard Wright]

Socialist is too wrong a word but Rudy is no friend of limited government, even in his rhetoric. If president, we can pretty much guarantee that he'd bring in national health insurance.

[EagleUSA]

Newt is not nearly as "Conservative" as you seem to think he is.
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Einstein was right - everything is relative. And there is alot more to getting elected. But the Repubs and America will lose BIG in 2008 if the Repub candidate is not a fighter. Someone who will stand up against Hitlery or who ever, and expose the socialists for what they are.

[Blackirish]

I think you have it backwards....Rudy/Newt.

Rudy has the star power plus ability to raise cash that Newt lacks.

Plus Rudy is even more articulate then Newt and thats saying a lot. Lastly Newt says he won't make a decision till Sep....by then Rudy could have a ground game and 20 mill raised.

[TitansAFC]

Maybe New Mexico. Nevada is trending more and more GOP right now.

Not Ohio. I saw an opinion poll on the news while I was there just two weeks ago that had her at 27% approval. Recently, either Rasmussen or Zogby (I'll look) had her polling at something like 31% approval in Ohio.

I would venture to say that Hitlery would not win Ohio against any Republican. Now, Edwards or Obama winning it might be possible.

No way, no how Hitlery wins Ohio against any Republican. Not without such a national trend that it wouldn't matter who the GOP put up - a trend which isn't going to happen.

No way Hitlery beats a Newt/Rudy ticket. You have this strange idea in your head that Hitlery can sell herself as warm and fuzzy. She can't. Newt won millions of hearts and minds when he sold the Contract with America; he disappeared after that and his numbers tanked. When he's out there selling his ideas every day - as he would be in a campaign - he's a champion and a proven winner.

[JHBowden]

BTTT

[Blackirish]

Rudy Giuliani inherited a $2.3 billion dollar budget deficit and turned it into a multi-billion dollar surplus, while cutting taxes and delivering balanced budgets. He cut the number of full-time city workers by more than 20,000 – excluding teachers, firefighters, and police officers – while slowing the growth of government spending to below the rate of inflation.

Too bad the current administration is not as fiscally conservative as Rudy

[nopardons]

Since the Clintons and the MSM easily whipped Newt, long ago and Newt has been traveling around WITH Hillary, lately, pimping her revamped HILLARY CARE, you evidently are going with nothing but "feelings" and NO facts.

Newt has "mojo"? What are YOU on? LOL

Newt is "absent from the news"? He's been all over every single cable show and lots of talk radio shows for YEARS; he's been on Sean's radio show, O'Reilly's T.V. show, and Sean's T.V. show, all in one day/night, OFTEN, and that's when he isn't pushing a book and NOTHING much is going on in the news. He's almost more exposed than Paris Hilton; for crying out loud.

Rudy will NOT take VEEP; Newt might. But a ticket with two guys who have had six wives between then and Newt's adultery record is far worse than Rudy's, is NOT a winning ticket!

[HitmanLV]

I live in Nevada and the GOP brand is damaged. Dubya couldn't win an election for dog catcher right now. Of course, he isn't running in 2008 but the GOP will need a strong candidate to win SW voters in 2008.

The GOP brand name is severely damaged in Ohio and I can easily see them going dem in 2008, especially if the GOP fields a weak candidate.

I think Newt is a better behind the scenes guy these days. He was savaged in 1995 and never really recovered. He comes across as a smug, unlikeable man to most people.

Don't hitch your wagon to Newt's star.

[Godebert]

"Conservatives marginalize themselves because they're politically stupid."

Jim.......is this still a Conservative forum? Why do you tolerate people like this? Do you really need the money that bad?

[nopardons]

Mine too; but, Haley is NOT going to run and will NOT allow himself to be drafted.

[Blackirish]

Godbert.....still running to Mommy.....


Try standing your ground and debating the merits.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

If Giuliani wins the GOP nomination Barack Hussein Obama will be the next president of the United States of America. I'm not sure which of those two leftist schmucks is more disgusting.

A coin flip would be pretty accurate...

[nopardons]

What did you put in your lemonade...strychnine?

[TitansAFC]

I say Newt/Rudy because people like me won't support Rudy as President.

The debate happens here every day between the only-Rudy-and-none-else folks and the never-Rudy folks. Surely you can see Rudy is incapable of uniting the party behind him. And I refuse to believe for one second that he's going to be able to sell an unpopular war to a bunch of squishy voters who want out of Iraq yesterday, much less in numbers enough to overcome the loss on the right, both in votes and grassroots efforts.

Rudy will lose too much of the base, and might get Perot-ed.

I certainly wouldn't vote for the man right now for President.

The more the right learns about Rudy, the more his numbers drop. He's been dropping in every primary state - take Iowa, for example:

Early August 2006:
Giuliani 39%
http://community.livejournal.com/southern_hope/71993.html

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Late September/early October, 2006:
Giuliani 30%
http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060823/NEWS09/608230368/1001

"Giuliani, who has visited Iowa once since 2004, is also viewed as favorable by two-thirds of the poll's respondents, the highest rating among the eight Republicans listed as potential candidates in the survey.

However, two-thirds said they would be unlikely to support a candidate whose position on abortion differed from theirs, a potential problem for Giuliani, who supports abortion rights.

Seventy percent of the poll's respondents identified themselves as "pro-life," a term associated with opposition to abortion rights, compared with 30 percent who called themselves "pro-choice." shorthand for supporting abortion rights."

I think there may be something to the CW that says that some of the people answering "Giuliani" in these polls aren't aware of his positions on social issues, and his support will erode once that becomes more widely known.

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Mid December 2006:
Giuliani 26%
http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2006/12/new_2008_iowa_poll.html

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Mid January 2007:
Giuliani 19%
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1236

[CutePuppy]

Churchill was not an "improbable" leader, he was a "born" leader with a long history of leadership and vision (and sometimes failure) way before he became a PM.

If you're looking for Churchillian character among current crop of GOP contender, look at Newt - he's a fervent admirer of Churchill and knows and quotes his history well, as he does most history... He can also articulate history and ideas and vision well and forcefully, which is what GOP needs more than anything now.

[Godebert]

You have a problem take it up with the management. I'm not interested in talking with homosexual activists such as yourself.