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Insurers told: All or none [Homeowners Insurance in FL]
The St. Petersburg Times ^ | 1/18/2007 | Jennifer Liberto and Joni James

Posted on 01/18/2007 9:00:06 AM PST by doc30

TALLAHASSEE - Florida lawmakers appear ready to deliver on one of Gov. Charlie Crist's campaign promises to punish insurers who have retreated from the state's property market while still writing other insurance in the Sunshine State, such as auto.

In a surprise voice vote Wednesday, the Florida Senate agreed to force Florida insurance companies who write property insurance in other states to offer it here if they want to continue writing any insurance in this state. The House has a similar proposal.

"The 'cherry-picking' in this state has got to stop," said Sen. Mike Fasano, R-New Port Richey, as he proposed the new language on the Senate floor with co-sponsor Sen. Ronda Storms, R-Brandon. "We've got to send a message to the insurance industry, because we've heard that message from our homeowners back home that they won't tolerate the cherry-picking in this state any longer."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: florida; insurance
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To: doc30
Why not force insurers to offer health insurance, too?

Florida is also very hard on hospitals and doctors--Florida is a state for lawyers. And that has to do with how people vote.

21 posted on 01/18/2007 9:30:13 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: longtermmemmory

Sounds like a great opportunity for a insurance company to make some money by insuring only post-Andrew homes.

Oh, but wait! The regulatory agencies won't let them do that! Because it's "not fair."

So post-Andrew home owners are screwed just like people who pay more to live in non-flood planes, etc.

The problem is the market is not a free market.


22 posted on 01/18/2007 9:30:50 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: dman4384

I don't know if Florida regulates how much they can charge.

But often states do have limits on DIFFERENCES in charges in an area.

So if the insurance company wants to raise the prices really high to cover the high-risk houses, they have to also raise the prices really high on low-risk houses.

The low-risk people will drop out, leaving too little money for the high-risk houses. You end up only insuring the people that are certain to have claims, and charging them so much they could buy the house with the premiums.

If the fees were unregulated, the insurance companies could tailor the costs to the risks. Of course, they could also price the houses they don't want to insure out of the market.

The problem is that we have meddled so much in this market, that it's hard to unravel it back to a free-market system. For example, in some states you MUST have insurance, so you can't self-insure.


23 posted on 01/18/2007 9:30:59 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: doc30
On the other, will provisions like this mean you won't be able to get any other kind of insurance in FL as insureres completely bail on the state?

Yes, this will happen. Or, more specifically, what will happen is insurers will bail the state until there are one or two left, who will then proceed to charge whatever premiums they darned well please because you can't get it from anyone else. This exact same thing happened in Kentucky due to overregulation of health insurance. Before long, there was only one health insurance provider left. Premiums went up on the order of 300%. That was several years ago and we are still paying for that mistake in Kentucky.
24 posted on 01/18/2007 9:32:11 AM PST by JamesP81 (If you have to ask permission from Uncle Sam, then it's not a right)
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To: doc30

Oh they'll now offer insurance, just at premium rates that will be the equivilent of the GNP of many third world countries.


25 posted on 01/18/2007 9:32:55 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Eagle Eye
That's the way insurance works.

No it is not. In Baltimore city (lots of crime), it costs about 3,000 a year to insure your car. 10 miles in the suburbs (low crime), it costs about 1,000 to insure the exact same car.

No way in hell should the rest of the country subsidize florida real estate.

26 posted on 01/18/2007 9:33:04 AM PST by staytrue
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To: dman4384
Pulling out totally seems like an odd decision to me.

It'll happen. I've seen it before.
27 posted on 01/18/2007 9:33:09 AM PST by JamesP81 (If you have to ask permission from Uncle Sam, then it's not a right)
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To: dman4384

Perhaps the law should change....no more mandatory insurance.


28 posted on 01/18/2007 9:34:28 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Eagle Eye
The actuaries know that the losses all balance out in the long run. A grouping of losses in a year with years of low loses all balance out.

Yes, but if you roll snake-eyes too many times in a row, you're busted, out of the game, and the 'long run' never comes along.

29 posted on 01/18/2007 9:34:38 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: longtermmemmory

You mean people were stupid enough to buy insurance that would be invalid if they needed it? Where can I find people like that, I've got stuff I could sell them.....


30 posted on 01/18/2007 9:34:42 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: rodguy911
I can't pick an choose with my customers why should they be able to.

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Wrong-headed statement. The insurance companies are not choosing who their customers are, they are choosing what services to offer in what markets based on a business model that fulfills their first obligation; to increase value for the people who have entrusted their money to them - the shareholders. That is capitalism.

31 posted on 01/18/2007 9:35:03 AM PST by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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And if a hurricane does hit, watch how hard Ins. companies try to get out of paying claims.
32 posted on 01/18/2007 9:36:16 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: doc30

And if anyone wants to watch the special session you can find the live links here

http://www.wfsu.org/tv/live_webcasts.html


33 posted on 01/18/2007 9:37:06 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: longtermmemmory

Does current Florida law allow the insurance company to take construction into account when insuring an individual property?


34 posted on 01/18/2007 9:37:27 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: doc30

Uh oh. We've had State Farm Homeowner's for years but I'm told they aren't writing new homeowner's policies. Will they withdraw from auto and homeowner's? Time will tell.


35 posted on 01/18/2007 9:37:57 AM PST by dawn53
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To: Mr. Jeeves
So why don't insurance simply charge the amount necessary to cover their expenses plus a (competitive) profit margin?

Let me guess...because the rates are regulated?

36 posted on 01/18/2007 9:38:22 AM PST by gogeo (Irony is not one of Islam's core competencies (thx Pharmboy))
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To: doc30
Not too long ago lawyers were going crazy with "mold" lawsuits, exploiting homeowner's insurance for settlements over and above the cost of home replacements, particularly in Texas.

People don't seem to understand that this kind of behavior either makes the cost prohibitive, or makes service unavailable. It's like the hospital ER--the public tries its best to put it out of business, then whines when the public succeeds.

37 posted on 01/18/2007 9:40:23 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: CharlesWayneCT

"For example, in some states you MUST have insurance, so you can't self-insure."

Bit of a misnomer, really, and generally limited to liability insurance. (Mortgage companies also require casualty insurance, but that's private, not state.)

You can post a bond, typically, and it's a sound thing to do if you have a teenage driver.

I had a partner with 3 teenage sons. He posted three $30,000 cash bonds --- bonds that bore interest at 5-6%, if I recall.

Each kid's car was in the kid's name --- so no vicarious liability.

Instead of paying some absurd amount of money per year for each kid --- he made a reasonable return on his investment.

Paid one wreck --- $2,500 or so. Came out WAY ahead.

My companies always self-insure for the first $1million or so. Save TONS of money. Far cheaper to deal with the stupid car wrecks and slip-and-falls yourself than to pay an insurance company to mess with it.


38 posted on 01/18/2007 9:40:47 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: doc30

The same thing in FL that happened here in Washington state. The state here put limits on health care insurer's so they bailed out. The few remaining health insurer's raised their rates. In FL, insurance companies will bail out leaving those residents without any sort of insurance.


39 posted on 01/18/2007 9:40:55 AM PST by SkyDancer ("The Americans on Flight 93 did more to counter terrorism than the Democrats have done in 4 years")
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To: staytrue
No it is not.

Yes, it is!

Those that do not file claims subsidize those that do. Absolutely.

In the city you also face more opportunity for collision damage than in the suburbs or county. That is not uncommon.

If everyone is rated properly there is no problem with different charges for similar cars, houses, boats, etc. My portion of earthquake premium in Florida subsidizes those risks in active seismic zones. My portion of fire premium in Florida subsidizes the risks in fire prone areas. Those without claims subsidize those with claims. That is the way insurance works.

40 posted on 01/18/2007 9:43:39 AM PST by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO because I'm too conservative to be a real Republican.)
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