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He used to call it a tax, now it's a fee: Arnold's gross dishonesty
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | 01-16-2007 | Chris Reed

Posted on 01/18/2007 8:23:17 AM PST by Amerigomag

During the governor's race, Schwarzenegger relentlessly accused Phil Angelides of wanting to raise taxes. The largest share of that total was an Angelides backed mandate businesses to provide health care for their workers. Angelides complanied that the mandate wasn't a tax; the governor's aides insisted it was.

That's from a story in today's Mercury-News. Of course, Schwarzenegger now insists that his push to pay for his health-insurance plan by having companies with 10 or more employees who do not provide health insurance pay a "fee"' of 4 percent of their payrolls, hospitals pay a "fee" of 4 percent of revenues and doctors pay a "fee" of 2 percent of revenues doesn't amount to raising taxes.

This is gross dishonesty. No amount of semantic spin about "shared responsibilities" can change the fact that Arnold is going back on his no-new-taxes pledge of the 2006 gubernatorial campaign.

I talked to Kim Belshe, secretary of the state Health and Human Services Agency, this afternoon. I said I found it amazing that anyone could say with a straight face that adding a direct cost to businesses amounted to a fee instead of tax. She said she could do it.

Mark David (Schwarzenegger's campaign spokesman) is now working for the McCain for president campaign. I look forward to trying to put him on the spot and ask what he thinks about the new Schwarzenegger definition of tax. I bet the last thing McCain wants is for an aide to defend, however indirectly, using semantic evasions to make it possible to raise taxes. (Arnold's plan surely dies if it has to win two-thirds support in the Legislature, as is required for tax hikes.) If anyone has David's e-mail address, please share it.

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KEYWORDS: arnoldcare; callingallilk; dishonesty; schwarzenegger; taxes
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To: Amerigomag

Fee = Voluntary
Tax = Mandatory


21 posted on 01/18/2007 9:32:46 AM PST by Republicus2001
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To: al baby

I didn't vote for him and I was also telling every one I knew not to vote for him or Angleides either. This guy is no better than a Dem, he started out ok, or at least talked a good game, but when he found out people would actually oppose him on some things he switched sides so fast he was just a blur.


22 posted on 01/18/2007 9:47:26 AM PST by calex59
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To: Amerigomag

Here in Washington state we have to pay a fee to pay our taxes ... go figure that one out .....


23 posted on 01/18/2007 9:48:58 AM PST by SkyDancer ("The Americans on Flight 93 did more to counter terrorism than the Democrats have done in 4 years")
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To: MikeA

Arnold contracted an STD from Maria Shriver....liberalism!


24 posted on 01/18/2007 10:10:39 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (Tancredo in '08.....before it's too late!)
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To: Republicus2001
"Fee = Voluntary
Tax = Mandatory"

And Social Security is a Contribution...
Except on my W2, where it's a Tax.
Or on my 1040, where it's not a Tax.
And it ain't hardly voluntary.

I think the real distinction is that you can deduct taxes at the end of the year; fees are just a cost...so, in a sense, they won't be taxes.

25 posted on 01/18/2007 10:12:26 AM PST by norton
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To: Amerigomag

Fee = charge for a service
Tax = broadbased funnel leading to government coffers

Targetting users of a service to pay for it rather than coming out of general funds makes sense to me. Tragedy of the Commons comes into play when people who don't need the service avail themselves of it anyway because their taxes paid for it.


26 posted on 01/18/2007 10:24:30 AM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: Amerigomag
He used to call it a tax, now it's a fee: Arnold's gross dishonesty

That is an old tactic used here in New York for years. He brought it with him out west.

The popular tactic by politicians here in New York has been to reduce taxes, pat themselves on the back, then raise user fees even higher. Now New York has a dwindling population.

Gee I wonder why.

27 posted on 01/18/2007 10:27:11 AM PST by libill (Socialism is communism with a happy face.)
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To: FairOpinion; 68 grunt; BibChr; My2Cents; pogo101; AmericaUnited
As you might guess, I'm enjoying the hell out of this, because all the liars and fools who fell for Arnold now have to face this outstanding refutation of your bogus claims. Especially...

So, AGAIN, an oldie, but a goodie!

FO, you are going to get this post every time one of these articles comes up until you explain your support for the higher taxes this dishonest fascist you so adore is inflicting on this State.

CA: Angelides Mum on Health Care Bill (universal healthcare -- SB840)

Angelides then launched into a impassioned description of his own plan, which includes expanding health care to all children, cutting the profit margin for HMOs, requiring large companies to provide insurance for employees and then bringing "business leaders, consumers and health experts together to move California toward universal health care." Source

Gosh, that does sound familiar... Note, the clear understanding of the disastrous import of such a plan, as detailed by FareOpinion, the poster of that precient article...

Angelides is definitely for "working towards" socialized medicine, he just can't come out and say he would definitely sign this socialized medicine bill, because his focus groups told him, that most people in CA are against it.

But note the large difference between Arnold and Angelides.

This socialized medicine bill could destroy CA on its own. Source

Oh the horror!

Oh please FareOpinion, explain for us this "large difference between Arnold and Angelides."

We know you can do it.

28 posted on 01/18/2007 10:32:51 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: darkwing104
It used to be "Contributions"...Guess "Fee" is this years buzzword.

You failed to mention my personal favorite of: Revenue Enhancement.

29 posted on 01/18/2007 10:58:24 AM PST by dearolddad
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To: Carry_Okie; All
You can take me off this list since I am PUBLICLY declaring what a big mistake it was to support him.

My disgust with him at this point knows no bounds. Just pathetic, absolutely pathetic! He has become just a pandering hack and publicity hound with zero scruples, going back on so much of the lying blather he served up during campaign mode.

30 posted on 01/18/2007 11:15:37 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Carry_Okie

Fair enough, but it would be fairer still simply to say that Arnold has veered far to the left since his campaigning on "you pay a tax just walking down the street" radio ads. It's nice that you say you weren't fooled, but those (ads and such in 2003) were exactly right. Perhaps you are simply wiser than us fools, or perhaps you simply guessed better.

None of this changes my mind about McClintock's inability to have won in 2003's recall election, but it may make it seem wiser to have kept Gray Davis in office. I'm not sure, but it's looking less bad in comparison to the latest (and by far the most socialist) incarnation of Arnold.


31 posted on 01/18/2007 11:19:20 AM PST by pogo101
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To: Carry_Okie

Oh, and please remove me from any and all ping-lists. Thanks.


32 posted on 01/18/2007 11:21:31 AM PST by pogo101
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To: pogo101
Fair enough, but it would be fairer still simply to say that Arnold has veered far to the left since his campaigning on "you pay a tax just walking down the street" radio ads.

I told virtually everybody at the time that he was a habitual liar and a closet fascist, based upon my knowledge of his behavior as a bodybuilder and his associations prior to the recall.

None of this changes my mind about McClintock's inability to have won in 2003's recall election, but it may make it seem wiser to have kept Gray Davis in office.

Had Arnold been chased out of the race by the Republican Party, Tom would have won. I voted for McClintock and against the recall.

33 posted on 01/18/2007 11:31:51 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: pogo101
Oh, and please remove me from any and all ping-lists. Thanks.

I don't have or use them.

34 posted on 01/18/2007 11:32:22 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Let me rephrase, then, since you seem unable to take the hint:

Don't ever ping me again.


35 posted on 01/18/2007 11:52:46 AM PST by pogo101
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To: Carry_Okie

Perhaps, but Arnold wasn't chased out by the GOP. We had to make our best guess based on those who were in the race, their principles, our views of how others would vote, etc. But yes, bottom line, it stings to realize how far afield Arnold has gone from his campaign promises and rhetoric, to his socialist utopia nonsense today.


36 posted on 01/18/2007 11:54:41 AM PST by pogo101
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To: Amerigomag
I just crossed the Benicia Bridge over the Carquinez Straits last night for the first time this year. The bridge toll increased from $3.00 to $4.00 per vehicle since my last trip across the span. I used to commute over that bridge. For commuters, $1.00 extra each day, times about 20 work days a month is an additional $20 a month...times 12 months, and that's an additional $240 a year, just in increased bridge tolls.

Arnold promised "no tax increases," but apparently increasing fees all over the place, and borrowing billions of dollars that we're going to have to pay off (probably once he's out of office) certainly straps Californians with a huge burden in the future.

37 posted on 01/18/2007 1:10:39 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: MikeA
I voted for Arnold in the recall election, and based upon what we knew at the time, it seemed a decent decision. He governed as a "fiscal conservative" for up until the special ballot election of 2005. When all of his proposals went down the tubes, he abandoned any effort to be viewed as a fiscal conservative, fired some of earlier staff member, and started leaning more on his wife for guidance, until today, we see the transformation is complete.

For the record, I didn't vote for him in Nov. of last year. I didn't vote for anyone for governor.

38 posted on 01/18/2007 1:14:33 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: MikeA
Now as it turns out we just ended up with another Democrat as that ass Warren Beatty even brags of after only a couple years of having a Republican governor.

Worse of all, he will be labeled as a republican. He has hurt the republican party for a decade or 2. I truly hate this man. As for the Klintoons, we at least knew what & who they were. I want to start a ReCall. I want his sorry a$$ out.

39 posted on 01/18/2007 1:37:23 PM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: My2Cents
I didn't vote for anyone for governor.

Here was when you had a chance to vote a 3rd party & show your dissatisfaction against this "Two-Party Cartel'. Bad move. The more dissenters against this cartel the sooner they might get the message. Let's get a ReCall going.

40 posted on 01/18/2007 1:43:42 PM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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