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Defeatists On Free Republic Who Are Giving Aid and Comfort to the Enemy
January 18 2007 | jveritas

Posted on 01/18/2007 7:50:55 AM PST by jveritas

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To: soccer8

FWIW: St. Lo is about 20 miles from Omaha. I didn't use any of the fast roads, but back roads (effectively followed the 29th's path) and stopped a bunch of times. Otherwise the drive would've taken much less time.


141 posted on 01/18/2007 9:21:35 AM PST by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: Revolting cat!

Is there a moderator in the house?


142 posted on 01/18/2007 9:22:23 AM PST by twonie (Just because there are fewer of us don't mean we are wrong.)
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To: jveritas
That is exactly the defeatism that I was talking about. You just gave aid and comfort to the enemy by saying the War on Terror is lost.

Just so I have this straight. Any dissent on foreign policy then is defeatist? Or is it just specific dissent you disagree with? The President has tried, ridiculously I might add, to do that. Should this be limited to just removing speech that you disagree with from the public arena or should we just toss the whole lot in jail?

As to the statement, one can't say the WOS(some seeing as we have 'allies' in this that have or currently support some forms of terrorism)T is lost or won. Considering that the WOST is dependent upon the party that happens to be in power (one party may see 'terror' in nation states different from the other party), the WOST could continue endlessly throughout time. We'll be at war for centuries!! I suppose that fact this could never end deserves a 'hoo-rah'?

Of course as a realist, a patriot, and a sometime historian, one also has to accept the principle that no nation will exist at the top perpetually, no matter what principles it was established upon

There are opinions and views that do matter other than standard Republican talking points. I'm not saying the Democrats have them or not. I don't know that they do. But closing your eyes and wishing for something to happen that very well may not happen isn't the wisest foreign policy either. I don't honestly believe that any form of representative government can last in certain areas of the Middle East. This is because it has been tried at different points and failed. Just because 'we' did it doesn't mean that it will last. Perhaps the best thing to do is to establish another somewhat secular strong man in Iraq, turn our heads again when he violates human rights, and leave it at that. Then again maybe it isn't. But Iraq is heading for rough times ahead. And I seriously don't know if sending 20,000 troops back there to return to previous levels is the best solution.

Now label me a defeatist without addressing the concerns and be done with it. About the only thing I've come to expect from 'conservatives' these days is 'well the President said' anyway...

143 posted on 01/18/2007 9:22:36 AM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: jveritas
Maybe now would be a good time to translate the terrorists own websites and writings. They show they are in retreat and feeling the pressure that is coming from their losses in Iraq, Afghanistan, and around the world.

I would gladly help you in the translating duty.

144 posted on 01/18/2007 9:22:58 AM PST by James Ewell Brown Stuart (Happy 200th Birthday General Robert E. Lee!)
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To: Bob J

You are how old and you don't know? Go back a study wars we truly won. The answer is there. (Even if this is different. Winning is still the same.)


145 posted on 01/18/2007 9:23:17 AM PST by bmwcyle (If no one buys illegal drugs, we win the war on drugs)
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To: twonie

I got your "boy" swingin'.

Listening to Rush Limbaugh is another lock step requirment in order to have an opinion?


146 posted on 01/18/2007 9:23:24 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: Michael.SF.

I had never heard the word before, so I looked it up. It means exactly what one would think. So you've expanded my vocabulary. Thanks!


147 posted on 01/18/2007 9:24:34 AM PST by karnage
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To: Bob J
What it's always been: a free democratic Iraq with a non-sectarian government that can defend itself, is not a threat to its neighbors and is an ally in the war on terror.

That goal has been attained in northern Iraq and can be acheived in the rest of the country given time and determination. The war has been prolonged because the left has allied itself with the terrorists to undermine our efforts. They have been aided by the media, the Democrats and weak-kneed Republicans.

Everyone knows that if you keep killing Americans long enough we'll lose the political will to win. That strategy has come to fruition this year. Including on FR.

148 posted on 01/18/2007 9:26:46 AM PST by kristinn
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To: leadpenny

Intelligence on display! How many years did YOU spend at the School of Quick Wit and Rhetoric?


149 posted on 01/18/2007 9:26:56 AM PST by twonie (Just because there are fewer of us don't mean we are wrong.)
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To: Revolting cat!

LOL... too true.


150 posted on 01/18/2007 9:27:13 AM PST by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: Spruce

So you seriously believe we have an effective war on terror with the 2000 mile wide southern border completely open?


151 posted on 01/18/2007 9:28:36 AM PST by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: txrangerette
I agree with most of your analysis regarding the fact it is necessary to win. But here's the problem. When those of us questioned early on things like strategy, mission, the ability to train the Iraqi's to stand on their own, the WMDs not existing, we would be met as friendly liberators, the Iraqi factions want peaceful co-existance, the removal of Saddam and family would go a long way to bring the country together, the elections would bring the country together.....all the things the President has now fessed up to that has made the situation, well you know......we were told we were wrong, didn't know what we were talking about, not supporting the troops, undercutting the President, since we're not on the ground how could we know, the press is only reporting the bad news (true, but there was plenty of bad to report) and on and on.

There has been a lot of stuff finger pointed at us that is now proven true and coming from the mouth of the President.

152 posted on 01/18/2007 9:28:46 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: leadpenny
Try loosening your helmet strap, your brain is in dire need of oxygen.
153 posted on 01/18/2007 9:29:19 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Show me a 'true' Conservative and I'll show someone with bad knees)
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To: jveritas

Amen brother.


154 posted on 01/18/2007 9:30:03 AM PST by AliVeritas (Stop Global Dhimming. Demand testicular fortitude from the hill. Call the crusade.)
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To: jveritas
Did you think this topic out or just post your emotions?

We are seeing the giving of aid and comfort to the enemy running wild in this war on terror and sadly not only among liberals and their media but also among some conservatives who some of them are right here on this great Free Republic.

You know if you are going to accuse people of such a crime you should do it to their face.

Some may actually feel that we should get out of Iraq for whatever reason. Does that mean they are committing treason?

Can we not debate this issue without being called traitors?

I'm very disappointed that you would post such a topic. I would ask you to think about having it pulled.

PS: I support the War in Iraq. I think it is the most important battle of our generation. But I do not support this McCarthy style rant.

PSS: I probably won't have time to reply to any replies. I've said my word and I've got work to do.

155 posted on 01/18/2007 9:30:06 AM PST by McGruff
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To: kristinn
I'm astounded that someone accused you of McCarthyism on this thread

could it have been the Ann Coulter interpretation of the word?

156 posted on 01/18/2007 9:30:23 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: bmwcyle
Go back a study wars we truly won. The answer is there. (Even if this is different. Winning is still the same.)

Traditional wars end when the enemy surrenders.

157 posted on 01/18/2007 9:31:30 AM PST by lucysmom
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To: billbears
I think jveritas is limiting his remarks to the folks who only complain and say we need to get out because all is lost. Their focal point is that everything sucks and we have lost so let's give up (they just offer negativity).

That is quite a bit different from: I see 'x' as a problem and believe that we need to do 'y' to overcome it. That is, constructive criticism.

That's my take. Hopefully jveritas will be able to answer your question on his/her own.

158 posted on 01/18/2007 9:31:31 AM PST by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: billbears
About the only thing I've come to expect from 'conservatives' these days is 'well the President said' anyway...

It's very different disheartening isn't it?

159 posted on 01/18/2007 9:31:51 AM PST by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: twonie

Not as many years as you've obviously spent at the Ditto Head Academy.


160 posted on 01/18/2007 9:31:53 AM PST by leadpenny
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