Bush won't reauthorize eavesdropping program

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[Sub-Driver]

Bush won't reauthorize eavesdropping program Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:10 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush has decided not to reauthorize the controversial domestic warrantless surveillance program for terrorism suspects and to put it under the authority of a secret special court, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said on Wednesday.

"The president has determined not to reauthorize the Terrorist Surveillance Program

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

What?

So, now you're working directly with our National Security program? Like you know all about the reasons why as well as the inside motivation for it?

From now on, show us documentation to back up any and all claims you make, otherwise we will just assume you have no clue about what it is you talk about. (Which is most everything from what I've seen from you.)

[tobyhill]

He's putting the burden on the Senate in case we're attacked again. They want to take control of the WOT then they need to accept the fact that they've been playing obstructionist also.

[street_lawyer]

Before going off in an anti-Bush frenzy, why don't you wait until you get the entire explanation of what this is and why?

Probably because many here are better informed then most and do not have to wait for an explanation. As you wait for your explanation are you curious to know how long it took the AG to get the approval on Jan 10th that it sought? Have you considered who the super-humans are who are going to approve or disprove of the wiretaps? I suppose like the Wizard of Oz, when the persons are mysterious men, in black robes, who put their pants on just like we ordinary men do , we can go to sleep knowing that we have placed our trust in the right people?

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[oceanview]

see post 35 - what will happen here is more insidious - the agents working this program, won't bother doing the work needed to get FISA approval. sure, if OBL calls in they will get it. but low level intercepts, intercepts with sketchy details - won't be passed to the FBI, because the hurdle required to satisfy FISA, is too high.

[Cementjungle]

Maybe since everyone seems to have forgotten the lessons of 9-11 the idea is to let us get hit a few more times so people will wake up.

I doubt that's the actual plan, but it might turn out that way.

[mnehring]

Exactly opposite, see post 39. He is protecting the program from the senate.. to quote another poster, once again, he is misunderestamated.

[oceanview]

listen to Mark Levin on this issue. He knows how the FISA mechanism works from being in the justice department.

what do you think happens - the NSA makes a quick phone call to FISA and says "give me a warrant" and they email back "sure, here it is". not a chance, its a hurdle now for these agents, some threshold has to be reached - the same way it works with a domestic warrant.

[Pukin Dog]

Well, against my warning, some of you went nuts without even considering that Bush has just snatched away any Congressional oversight of the program.

Yes, boys and girls, now the Dems cant do anything about it.

[mnehring]

BINGO!

[oceanview]

if there are enough votes in the senate to kill this - then let the Dems lead the charge and kill it. that's how you play the game, let the Dems stand up and kill this program. Don't kill it yourself, and let the Dems then say "see, we were right, Bush agreed to stop doing it by himself".

[Miss Didi]

Rush just said that he, too, just blew a gasket over this. BUT, he said, "and I may be reaching here," that perhaps W has made it so that the only fight will be over Iraq--truly where the Dems are weak. At least he hopes this is the strategery. If I interpreted Rush incorrectly, please comment.

[oceanview]

what are you talking about, the Dems wanted to restore FISA jurisdiction - and that has happened now.

[Christian4Bush]

I can't believe anyone would be on here thinking this is a GOOD move by the administration. we all spent years saying how great it was that they were showing backbone on this national security issue. now it gets dumped, and we are still supposed to say its a great idea. you can't have it both ways.

I never said I thought it was a good move, nor did I say that it was a great idea. It is, to say the least, puzzling, especially in the light of your correct comment that this is/was one of the issues for which the President was willing to fight, along with Iraq, vetoing federal funding for ESCR (embryonic stem cell research), and tax cuts.

I'll admit I don't know all of the facts. But when some armchair (not you) comes here with an intellectual post such as "balls shrinking", I posted (and stand by) my question.

[tobyhill]

He maybe protecting the program but it will be on the congress if FISA misses one.

[fschmieg]

No, I don't know those answers. That's why I will wait to hear more about this rather than running off half-cocked based upon a Reuters news blurb!! Great to know how very knowledgeable you are however.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

I can fully dispute your claim that "many here are better informed then (probably meant than) most and do not have to wait for an explanation."

Every one of the posters you refer to have a long history of making knee jerk reactionary responses on a consistent basis. This article is very much in that "SUSPECT" category.

They make fools of themselves and have zero credibility when they continue to so. One of the guidelines that Jim Rob. stresses, is to be certain that information posted here is true and accurate. Many of us who sound skeptical on articles of this type, have learned to become so, because of countless inaccurate or false publications that have found their way onto this forum.

[Eagle of Liberty]

if there are enough votes in the senate to kill this - then let the Dems lead the charge and kill it. that's how you play the game, let the Dems stand up and kill this program. Don't kill it yourself

You need to let your brain catch up with your typing. The President just took the program out of Congressional reach! He gave it to a REFORMED FISA court.

[ClaireSolt]

The names have been changed to protect the innocent....

[MaestroLC]

Well, here is what the Great One has said so far....

What Is the White House Thinking? [by Mark R. Levin]

Is there no principle subject to negotiation? Is there no course subject to reversal? For the Bush administration to argue for years that this program, as operated, was critical to our national security and fell within the president's Constitutional authority, to then turnaround and surrender presidential authority this way is disgraceful. The administration's repudiating all the arguments it has made in testimony, legal briefs and public statements. This goes to the heart of the White House's credibility. How can it cast away such a fundamental position of principle and law like this?

January 17
By LARA JAKES JORDAN
Secret Court to Govern Wiretapping Plan 
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[roses of sharon]

I completely disagree, the MSM/Dims/Hollywood/Academia have used it for years to damage, smear, and destroy the President, VP, Rumsfeld, and Republicans in general as sinister fascists who have broken the law and callously spied on Americans.

His bureaucratic enemies will leak any secrets he tries to keep from the enemy.

He knows he has lost in the fight for his reputation, no modern day President can win a battle with a worldwide leftwing and Islamists press campaign against him, and with his supposed supporters switching sides to punish him for this or that, he has to shed himself of many big battles.

But this is what FR and Americans wanted, so now we have to live with it.