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Bush won't reauthorize eavesdropping program
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Posted on 01/17/2007 11:21:09 AM PST by Sub-Driver

Bush won't reauthorize eavesdropping program Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:10 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush has decided not to reauthorize the controversial domestic warrantless surveillance program for terrorism suspects and to put it under the authority of a secret special court, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said on Wednesday.

"The president has determined not to reauthorize the Terrorist Surveillance Program

(Excerpt) Read more at today.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; bushcaves; govwatch; privacy; wot
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To: Pukin Dog

he has ceded his executive authority to the FISA court. How does this keep "whatever he does" secret? It doesn't stop hearings from reviewing the use of the program since 9-11, the Dems can still have hearings on that all day.


121 posted on 01/17/2007 1:02:24 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Getsmart64
What would be the advantage of waiting for the dems to take this program to a friendly court. Then have to depend on the USSC for final approval.

Is that what you think of as a good idea?

122 posted on 01/17/2007 1:02:31 PM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: Cold Heat
So...in essense...you are saying that we have lost the WOT...politics have taken over...when politics takes over..it's a lose lose situation...
123 posted on 01/17/2007 1:03:51 PM PST by Getsmart64
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To: roses of sharon

......We are underground and treading water.....

I'm not nearly so pessamistic. While it is true we are presently down, having been repulsed by a strong counter attack, we have a strong position.

The offensive action will be resumed.

We have the presidency and we have a majority of the Supreme court. These assure that the enemies, and they are for sure enemies, will make no real gains.

We may not control all elements of the MSM but we have made extreme gains in our ability to counter their efforts. In 2000 I worked here on Free Republic to see what could be done to counter the left. The results were beyond my expectations. We hace put them in a severe bind and have drawn blood, that is real life giving blood, several times.

It was Clinton that put the fear of God into conservatives and forced them from complacency to action. Free Republic was established from nothing because of those fears. I would look for a resumption of strong activism like the old days when the fear really sinks in, to the bone.

The days of lazy handwringing and blowing smoke are over and conservatives will rally to real get off your ass action again. The DC chapter will not be alone in the streets.


124 posted on 01/17/2007 1:04:11 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. .... It's spit on a lefty day.)
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To: Cold Heat

why would Spector and Leahy be satisifed - you never "satisfy" these kind of people by giving into them. You give in, they come back for more. This issue isn't closed now, like most of the posters here think it will be. The president's political enemies have just been emboldened by this. and why wouldn't they be - by agreeing to dump this program, he has basically just said to them "you know what, you were right after all".


125 posted on 01/17/2007 1:06:21 PM PST by oceanview
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To: OldFriend

yes, that's exactly how the system is supposed to work. one branch takes a position, the other branches have the ability to check and balance it. somebody wins, somebody loses.


126 posted on 01/17/2007 1:07:33 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Sub-Driver
President George W. Bush has decided ... to put it under the authority of a secret special court, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said on Wednesday.

Translation:

He's tired of the aspects of trying to protect us.

127 posted on 01/17/2007 1:08:17 PM PST by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus)
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To: Sub-Driver
Your excerpt seriously misrepresents what the Administration has done. You should have made clear that that they claim to be satisfied with a FISA decision which eliminates the need for the Terrorist Surveillance Program.

I know we here aren't required to fairly represent the articles we excerpt, but we ought to do it anyway.

128 posted on 01/17/2007 1:08:56 PM PST by edsheppa
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To: OldFriend
From what I'm reading....you certain individuals are happy with politics entering the WOT...for 6 years...Bush didn't let politics interfere...he let the Dems rant and rave and did what he thought was right....so he gave up the surveillance program...so he could gain support for the increase in troops??...politics are/will kill us....and not figuratively...
129 posted on 01/17/2007 1:09:51 PM PST by Getsmart64
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To: oceanview
FISA? I'm supposed to feel better about FISA after this...

[snip}

"Other officials," the paper said, complained that the FISA Court's actions against Resnick "prompted Bureau officials to adopt a play-it-safe approach that meant submitting fewer applications and declining to submit any that could be questioned."

Sen. Charles Grassley is among those who think that the FBI might have been able to stop the 9/11 attacks if the FISA Court hadn't discouraged the Bureau from aggressively pursuing a warrant in the Moussaoui case.

In a January 2002 letter to FBI Director Robert Mueller, Grassley noted that had a search been permitted, "Agents would have found information in Moussaoui’s belongings that linked him both to a major financier of the [9/11] hijacking plot working out of Germany, and to a Malaysian Al Qaeda boss who had met with at least two other [9/11] hijackers while under surveillance by intelligence officials."

Entire article FISA Court Discouraged Moussaoui Warrant

130 posted on 01/17/2007 1:13:43 PM PST by processing please hold (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: GretchenM
What exactly is a "special secret court"??
131 posted on 01/17/2007 1:13:51 PM PST by Getsmart64
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To: Sub-Driver
Whatever, like NSA will just stop gathering international call data from suspected terrorists. Highly unlikely. Just a smoke screen to appease congress.
132 posted on 01/17/2007 1:15:51 PM PST by miliantnutcase ("If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it." -ichabod1)
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To: roses of sharon

I heard something on talk radio about this. Speculation was that Bush negotiated a compromise because he feared Congress would shut down the program.


133 posted on 01/17/2007 1:16:53 PM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: oceanview

Well please excuse me I wasn't aware that he could walk on water.

BTW: Is something wrong with your 'caps lock'? You appear to have more respect for Mark Levin than you do for President Reagan.


134 posted on 01/17/2007 1:17:33 PM PST by AmeriBrit
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To: edsheppa

that's just the window dressing on this, nothing more. what are they going to say, "we gave this program back to FISA, and by the way we think FISA stinks.".


135 posted on 01/17/2007 1:18:26 PM PST by oceanview
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To: AmeriBrit

I have arthritis in my pinkies, hard to hit the shift key.


136 posted on 01/17/2007 1:19:31 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Getsmart64

By invite only, I guess. And a password.


137 posted on 01/17/2007 1:22:39 PM PST by txhurl
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To: processing please hold

a I said upthread, mark levin has been saying for years (from first hand knowledge) - that the FISA court provides a high legal hurdle to meet, and as such it supresses the vigor with which the warrants are pursued. and when that happens, leads and tips are just left on the vine - not pursued - as you have noted.


138 posted on 01/17/2007 1:23:00 PM PST by oceanview
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To: miliantnutcase

Yeppers..exactly...smoke and mirrors...


139 posted on 01/17/2007 1:23:40 PM PST by Getsmart64
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To: txflake

Well..can't be a super secret court if we all know about it..eh?..:)


140 posted on 01/17/2007 1:25:13 PM PST by Getsmart64
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