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All these Democrats do is talk, talk, talk
ny daily news ^ | 1/16/07 | Mike Lupica

Posted on 01/17/2007 10:49:27 AM PST by NotchJohnson

Talk today about Sgt. Liam Madden, a kid from Vermont who joined the Marines after high school and ended up in Anbar Province, who says that you can be a good Marine and a good American and still want our war in Iraq to stop. Talk proudly about Madden of the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit, who took a petition, signed by more than 1,000 just like him, to Congress yesterday, who just by walking up the steps of the Cannon House Office Building did more than big Democrats such as Sens. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) and Barack Obama (D-Ill.) are doing these days.

Clinton would rather be photographed with soldiers than do anything for them. The other day on "Face the Nation," Obama looked like he wanted to hide under the desk when Bob Schieffer asked him if he backed Sen. Edward Kennedy's bill that would require congressional approval to fund the troop increases that this President has planned. Obama started talking about a "phased withdrawal" and sounded like somebody trying to explain cricket.

One of the reasons Kennedy (D-Mass.) can do what he does at this stage of his career is because he has nothing to lose. Clinton and Obama are different. They are the headliners of the party in power now, but all they do is talk and talk but say nothing meaningful about Iraq. It tells you everything about how much both of them want to be President, no matter what kind of mess they would inherit in Baghdad.

This isn't about ideals with them as much as ambition. Maybe they can explain to the people on the ground now how important it is for them to find a safe place in this debate.

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that," Madden says. "Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too."

The Appeal for Redress, as yesterday's document is officially called, was signed by active military members and National Guardsmen and reservists. There were 1,034 names on it yesterday when Madden and the others took it up the steps to the Cannon Terrace. And this was not partisan dissent that came from the President's political opponents. This came from soldiers brave enough to speak out, even at the possible cost of their careers, and makes them braver than the people who represent them.

Their Appeal for Redress ended this way: "The timing of the beginning of the war was a choice, and the timing of the ending will be a choice. If President Bush does not choose to end the war, then Congress must by cutting off funds."

At least Kennedy tries to do something. The best the rest of them can do is talk about some kind of nonbinding resolution. That ought to scare off Bush and Vice President Cheney.

It is as if Clinton and Obama in particular are terrified of being Swift-boated by the Republicans all over again, made out to be weaklings and cowards if they don't want to continue sending U.S. soldiers over to Iraq to die in a civil war the United Nations now says killed more than 34,000 Iraqi civilians in the last year alone. "This isn't us against the military," Madden says. "It's us against this policy."

Madden joined the Marines at 18 because, he says, he needed purpose in his life. He thought that in the last four years of his contract, he could get himself a college education. Now he is not so sure, even though he was told on his way into service for his country that he would be called back from inactive duty only for a "national emergency."

"They keep changing the rules," he says

So he puts his name on the Appeal for Redress. And then listens to Cheney, who goes on television Sunday and says that if we withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq, we "revalidate the strategy that Osama Bin Laden has been following from day one, that if you kill enough Americans, you can force them to quit,that we don't have the stomach forthe fight."

This is the same Cheney who has only ever picked up a gun in his life to shoot birds or lawyers.

"It's the same old stuff," Madden says. "If we're not blind in our loyalty to their beliefs, then Osama wins. But that doesn't work anymore, and the election should have told everybody that. The American people aren't idiots."

Just treated that way by this administration. On one hand, the President calls this the most important ideological battle of our time. Then, practically in the next breath, he says that this country's commitment in Iraq is not "open-ended." So even with the most important ideological battle of our time, he has the meter running.

Some soldiers, ones who have put themselves on the line in Iraq, spoke out against this lunacy yesterday. It is the best they can do for now. It is their elected officials who have to do better, starting with the Democratic front-runners, Clinton and Barack. They can start by saying they will vote against further funding of this war the first chance they get. You fund this war, you own it.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; democrats; lupica
Poindexter always looked like a bedwetter rather than a sports guy.
1 posted on 01/17/2007 10:49:31 AM PST by NotchJohnson
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To: NotchJohnson

Twerp apparently believes ending a war and retreating from it are the same thing. Dork.


2 posted on 01/17/2007 10:51:41 AM PST by Dilbert56
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To: NotchJohnson
Hey,Mike...who do ya like in Indy this Sunday?
3 posted on 01/17/2007 10:51:50 AM PST by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: NotchJohnson

Rush reading this now.


4 posted on 01/17/2007 10:52:37 AM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: NotchJohnson

Who's Mike Lopica and why does he think being a retard is inherently "Sports" related?


5 posted on 01/17/2007 10:55:43 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: NotchJohnson
Madden joined the Marines at 18 because, he says, he needed purpose in his life. He thought that in the last four years of his contract, he could get himself a college education. Now he is not so sure, even though he was told on his way into service for his country that he would be called back from inactive duty only for a "national emergency."

"They keep changing the rules," he says

What a dumb marine - but am I being redundant?

6 posted on 01/17/2007 10:56:29 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: NotchJohnson

People should know, as Rush is mentioning now on his program, that most sports "journalists" are hardcore libs. Lupica is no exception. The head guy at Sports Illustrated, Rick O'Reilly, does not think we should be in either Iraq OR Afghanistan and wrote an editorial about it in SI after Pat Tillman's death. I do not read SI anymore.


7 posted on 01/17/2007 10:57:53 AM PST by driftless2
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To: NotchJohnson

There's a great underlying message in this report that some seem to be missing. As much as this seems like an anti-WOT article, it's equally a slap at the heads of the Demon-rats who love their photo-ops, and talk (and talk and talk) the talk, but when push comes to shove, they do NOT walk the walk.

I seriously doubt that is what Lupica meant to infer in his article, but the doofus must never have learned the law of unintended consequences!


8 posted on 01/17/2007 11:01:30 AM PST by ssaftler
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To: ssaftler

No, I think he meant what he said.
Like Michael Moore, they expect results.

But you know deep down, they will blame it on Bush.


9 posted on 01/17/2007 11:13:22 AM PST by griswold3
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To: NotchJohnson

Are their 15-minutes, er 100-hours, up yet?


10 posted on 01/17/2007 11:18:46 AM PST by weegee (The Left is worried that '24' will have the same effect as LBJ's 'Daisy' mushroom ad.)
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To: driftless2

Get SI for free, but it should really come with a happy meal.


11 posted on 01/17/2007 11:20:57 AM PST by NotchJohnson
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To: ssaftler
"The secret for the Democrats, says Rahm Emanuel, is to remain the party of reform and change. The country is angry, and it will only get more so as the problems in Iraq deepen. Don't look to Emanuel's Democrats for solutions on Iraq. It's Bush's war, and as it splinters the structure of GOP power, the Democrats are waiting to pick up the pieces."
Mr. Emanuels' thoughts in the first paragraph expressing an intent for the two years of the 110th Congress to avoid dealing with the biggest domestic problems — health-care financing and Social Security — while far short of heroic leadership, at least falls within the zone of conventional, practical, hack politics. Talk about change and reform but carefully avoid doing anything about it."
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The last thing the democrats want is to try to do is end the Iraq war. It got them elected according to Rahm.
12 posted on 01/17/2007 11:28:21 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life ;o)
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To: NotchJohnson

How sweet. I wonder how hard he worked to get those 1,034 names? Probably harder than he worked in Iraq and he better hope he's not sent back with this fellow volunteer Marines. From what I understand, they don't take too kindly to cry babies.


13 posted on 01/17/2007 11:36:48 AM PST by abercrombie_guy_38
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To: abercrombie_guy_38

Do you want to know what is heroic to these guys? Something like Tiger Woods golfing for millions after his Father passed away. Pat Tillman is off the richtor scale and beyond comprehension.


14 posted on 01/17/2007 12:12:54 PM PST by NotchJohnson
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To: NotchJohnson
AstroTurfing
15 posted on 01/17/2007 2:37:19 PM PST by aflaak
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To: 2banana
What a dumb marine - but am I being redundant?

Get your flame proof undies on.

You're going to get a lot of flak from a lot of Marines who hang out here.

16 posted on 01/17/2007 2:40:19 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Crime cannot be tolerated. Criminals thrive on the indulgences of society's understanding.)
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To: All

Repeating once again, to oppose the Big Lie:

The vote in November, as indicated in the exit polls, showed that the number 1 issue of voters was not Iraq or anything else particularly political.

It was corruption scandals.

If the GOP wants to return to power, it need not change its ideological position one iota leftward or rightward. It need only run squeaky clean candidates and get explicit criminal indictments against Democrats.

Energy spent on ideology is wasted in comparison to energy spent finding dirt that will generate a criminal indictment of a Democrat.


17 posted on 01/17/2007 2:52:02 PM PST by Owen
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To: NotchJohnson
This is the same Cheney who has only ever picked up a gun in his life to shoot birds or lawyers

I wonder how many guns Mike Lupica has picked up in his lifetime?

I'll bet the only things he has ever loaded are his pants and his fat mouth.

18 posted on 01/17/2007 3:20:14 PM PST by Gritty (There are only two choices with savages: Fight or run. Democrats always want to run - Ann Coulter)
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To: 2banana

What a dumb marine - but am I being redundant? Posted by

2banana


19 posted on 01/17/2007 3:29:28 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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