Israel buzzes over notion of attacking Iran

cs monitor ^ | January 16, 2007 | Ilene Prusher

[jveritas]

The question is, do we have the will? The traitors in this country are worse than the enemy abroad.

Agree 100%. I am confident that the President has the will and and the same goes for tens of millions of Americans who understand how dangerous to us and the world is the islamic terrorist regime in Iran. It will be a very tough fight at home when we decide to go after Iran nuclear facilities and military infrastructures because the left wing traitors and their media will make life much tougher for us, but that is the nature of the war, we have to fight the enemy abroad and the traitors and defeatists at home.

[bert]

I told you so....... then.

[bassmaner]

but at the end no one will be able to stop the only super power in the world; the United States of America.

Except Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid ... 2 "Americans" that are clearly working against the United States of America.

[EQAndyBuzz]

"Olmert is an American style politician."

I agree with that.

[jveritas]

Agree, however those 2 persons are nobody but they and their liberal media do not know that they are nobody.

[bert]

......he could not stop us in Iraq and he will not be able to stop us if we decide to launch an Air War against the Iranian terrorist regime. .......

His primary motive is much simpler. He has only arms to make jobs at home and raise money abroad. He desperately needs both. His hordes of stockpiled materials have been sold and noe must rely on current production to make ends meet and pacify the workers.

[EQAndyBuzz]

Israel developed their nuke program to offset the conventional forces of several million Arab fighters loitering on their doorstep.

By Iran developing a nuke, Israel's nuclear deterrent goes away, opening up the door for another war. This time with Iran firing missiles into Israel and Israel not knowing if they are conventional or not.

This hezzie thing this past summer was a dry run.

[jveritas]

Agree.

[Prophet in the wilderness]

" What we are seeing is a game of chess and it's only in the early stages of the game. " the thing is ? at this point in time, the chess game is moving at a faster pace as the hours and days go by.
All of us have a good hunch that it will be this year, but when ?
Anyone want to guess it will be in March ?

[Prophet in the wilderness]

Bingo !!

[arthurus]

We don't need to destroy ALL of Iran's nuke facilities. Getting the major ones would effectively knock out the program and taking out the Iranian military at the same time would give us access to any part of the country we might choose to send a unit to take care of another site. The chance that Iranians will retain a nuke or two or be able to develop one or obtain one no matter whatour presence in Iran is or how destroyed we have rendered their nuke program does not go to zero and need not. We will have taken out a major source and a State sponsor of nukes. Requiring that we eliminate the last vestige of capability or potential capability or not do it at all is just as silly as requiring that we take out every last mullah or terrorist or not fight the war at all. A 95% strike or an 80% strike pushes the threat back to the level we have to live with constantly anyway, the level of secret groups of madmen operating in mountains and cities wherever.

[arthurus]

t would have helped enormously if there had been a true mobilization and clearer communications within our country of the long term ramifications of our preemptive strike in the ME...

I think this is the most succinct observation of the situation there is and I have regretted the obfuscations from the beginning. They have only given the enemy at home a whole basket of red herrings.

[arthurus]

If Isreal stikes and misses, then what?

If Israel strikes, Israel will certainly miss some of the capacity. That does not matter greatly. If a major portion of Iran's facilities are destroyed their program is limited to what devices they may already have that survive and their ability to get up and running again is severely degraded and their program set back at least several years. Moreover it will possibly set the Iranians to curtailing or destroying their own oil production capacity in order to damage Israel and America. The Nutjob has threatened such a move. That would be, on the whole, constructive to America and Israel. The resulting worldwide economic reversals will be accompanied by America finally getting serious about energy independence. ANWR and the continental shelf and Utah will quickly become hives of activity as the prohibitions get dumped and green disappears from the fashion world.

[arthurus]

That Olmert remains in power is an indication that the whole country has gone soft and has locked its collective spine in a vault.

[HitmanLV]

They won't do it. Their misadventure with Lebanon taught them that they need to better evaluate their own capabilities.

[arthurus]

or hope that,in the end,Israel will lose its nerve.

Israel has been showing signs, of late, that it has misplaced its nerve, perhaps lost it altogether. The stated and loudly implied threats over the last year to take out Iran's nukes are an indication of that because a determined and confident Israel does not announce what it is going to do. It does it and then announces that it has done it. Israel is emphasizing the importance of speaking loudly and it can be inferred thereby that it is burying it's big stick.

[txhurl]

There was some pretty compelling evidence the Hez discovered their COMM structure during that scuffle, hence the rapid ceasefire/truce.

[stm]

And more importantly, it will send a message to the Iranian leadership that this might only be Act I of the play. Israel has every right to self defense, given the carpet kissing midget's vow to erase her from the map, and she will do whatever it takes to ensure her survival.

I would not hesitate for one second to go back to the Middle East a 4th time to defend Israel.

[Grampa Dave]

If Tehran Knew!:

"In America, they lie for tactical reasons, stating over and over that military action against Iran is unlikely. However in Iran, out of ignorance, they reiterate that American military action against their country is impossible because the US is "unable" to do so!

We say and hope our analysis is wrong. A possible military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities is in the final stages. Unless a political miracle occurs that revives the halted dialog between Iran and the international community, Iran and its neighboring countries should not be surprised by a scenario that includes American military action. "

Just maybe, President Bush is purposely allowing the media and the left to spout their garbage in order to create the illusion that we are completely incapable of taking any action against Iran. It would come as a complete surprise if we did take action.

Iranian Map: Before our upcoming Victory:

Iranian Map: After our upcoming Victory:

Over the past week, the U.S. Navy has given orders to the U.S.S. John Stennis carrier battle group, based in Bremerton, WA, to steam toward the Persian Gulf, where it will join the U.S.S. Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Navy sources say the Pentagon is getting ready to announce the dispatch of a third carrier battle group – the U.S.S. Ronald Reagan – from San Diego. That will make three carrier battle groups in the region starting at around the end of January.

Oh, and along with them is the amphibious assault group led by the U.S.S. Boxer, which can land several thousand U.S. Marines to seize and destroy strategic sites near the coast at a moment’s notice. (Busheir? Bandar Abbas? Jask? The three Persian Gulf islands Iran seized from the UAE in the 1990s and has since fortified to harass Gulf shipping? Your pick).

A Quote from: The Dogs of War - Lessons of the 20th Century. By Victor Davis Hanson, (author most recently of Carnage and Culture: Landmark Battles in the Rise of Western Power):

“"I would not wish to fight the United States - either militarily, politically, or culturally. For every threat, our history teaches us that Americans offer not just a rejoinder, but the specter of a devastating answer of a magnitude almost inconceivable to those now chanting and threatening in the streets of the Middle East.

Do they have any idea of what sort of dangerous people we really are? Do they understand the history of the names of those ships now off their coasts, like the USS Peleliu or Enterprise, or the pedigree of the 82nd or 101st Airborne?"

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[arthurus]

Iran will not interpret any "messages" in any manner that the we, sender, would intend. Iran will interpret the fact of "messages" being sent by shows of force and resolutions and buildups to mean that America will not actually do anything. When we are in "message-sending" mode we are historically out of Action mode. This seems now to be true of Israel as well. It is like the Republican idea of a filibuster in the senate. The Crats declare a filibuster and the Repubs say okay here is a filibuster then everyone drops the topic being "filibustered" and goes on to the next thing. No one actually has to do the work of the filibuster or defend against it. The Iranians understand this mindset and do not respond to it as Republicans because they understand that this is not a polite game of Diplomacy. It is a real contest and the stakes are existential. When we "send a message" we are conceding the contest. We are signaling that we will give it up if the enemy just waits us out. You think Iran won't wait a bit for a sure win?