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Another Vietnam? (Thomas Sowell)
Townhall.com ^ | January 16, 2007 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 01/15/2007 9:30:59 PM PST by jazusamo

Nothing is easier than to second-guess decisions made in wartime. Anyone who has bothered to read the history of wars knows that very few wars have been without disastrous surprises, often on both sides.

It is not that the people in charge are stupid. Too many things are unpredictable in war, despite politicians who demand timetables, as if running a war is like running a train.

We can now look at the Iraq war with hindsight, as no President or Secretary of Defense could when making decisions that had to be made. Still, it can be useful to determine with hindsight what went wrong, if only to avoid similar mistakes in the future and to see what needs to be changed in the present.

Despite all the politicians who were demanding more troops a year ago, and who have turned around and are now demanding that no more troops be sent to Iraq, the purely military aspects of the war have gone better than in most wars.

We have learned the hard way, notably in the Vietnam war, that military victories are not enough. American troops scored a big victory on the battlefield in 1968 that was presented in the American media as a big defeat -- and that began the political unravelling of the Vietnam war.

Many in the media seem to think that they did something noble, to get us out of an "unwinnable" war. But the war was unwinnable only because they made it so politically. Even after American troops were withdrawn from Vietnam, South Vietnam was able to hold off the invaders from North Vietnam.

Only after Congress cut off financial support for South Vietnam, while the North Vietnamese continued to get support from the Communist bloc, did South Vietnam fall.

Since then, even the Communist conquerors have admitted that they did not win on the battlefield, but in the American media and in the American political arena, surrounded by an atmosphere created by a defeatist media.

Most of the today's media, led by the New York Times, has been even more blatantly one-sided in their reporting. Everyone I have heard from in person who has actually been in Iraq paints a far different picture from that of the gloom and doom of the media.

Make no mistake about it, we can still lose this war, but it will have to be lost politically. Most of the tragic chaos in Iraq today has its origins in politics.

American and other coalition troops in Iraq have had their hands tied with "rules of engagement" based on political, rather than military, considerations.

You cannot have law and order in any country where armed bands of competing militias can terrorize the population. Instead of confronting these militias at the outset with an ultimatum to disarm or be killed, we let the Iraqi government veto what our military forces could do, leaving Shi'ite militias intact in Baghdad's "Sadr City" neighborhood and elsewhere.

Having pushed the "democracy" vision for Iraq, we could not simply disregard the country's elected government. But democracy arose in western civilization centuries after law and order had been established. We tried to do it in the reverse order in Iraq.

When push comes to shove, people will support tyranny rather than suffer lethal chaos that makes normal everyday life impossible for themselves and their children.

The success or failure of the troop surge in Iraq may depend far more on whether those troops can again be hamstrung by politically restrictive "rules of engagement" than on how many troops there are.

The Maliki government is politically dependent on one of the very Baghdad militias that needs to be disarmed. We can pressure and warn Maliki all we want, but his real choice will be whether he can survive -- either politically or personally -- without militia support.

Our choice may become whether we are prepared to sacrifice more American lives in order to prop up the Maliki government or whether we are prepared to sacrifice the Maliki government in order to restore law and order in Iraq.

That government is a product of our "nation-building" under the banner of a "democracy" for which Iraq may not have been ready.

Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institute and author of Basic Economics: A Citizen's Guide to the Economy.


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: iraqwar; sowell; thomassowell; woy
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1 posted on 01/15/2007 9:31:00 PM PST by jazusamo
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To: AbeKrieger; Alia; American Quilter; arthurus; Bahbah; brf1; Congressman Billybob; ...
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2 posted on 01/15/2007 9:32:40 PM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: jazusamo

Thomas Sowell would be a brilliant addition to the U.S. Supreme Court but, of course, with Chuckie running the committee, it could never happen.


3 posted on 01/15/2007 9:39:51 PM PST by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: jazusamo

Honest portrayal. He used facts, not cliche.

He's 100% correct, but at this point it seems that all our media does is echo chants like "Bush lied people died", or "No blood for oil".


4 posted on 01/15/2007 9:42:52 PM PST by Red6 (Come and get it.)
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To: Rembrandt

Thomas Sowell would make a great Supreme Court Justice, IMO.


5 posted on 01/15/2007 9:45:38 PM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: Red6

He's right in most all his columns but he really nailed this one.


6 posted on 01/15/2007 9:47:10 PM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: jazusamo

Hiya jazusamo. Go ahead and add me, please.


7 posted on 01/15/2007 9:47:26 PM PST by onyx (DONATE NOW! -- It takes DONATIONS to keep FR running!!)
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To: onyx

Hiya, onyx. A big welcome to you. :-)


8 posted on 01/15/2007 9:48:29 PM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: jazusamo

He's one of my favorites and I usually miss his column. Now, I won't. Thanks!!!


9 posted on 01/15/2007 9:51:52 PM PST by onyx (DONATE NOW! -- It takes DONATIONS to keep FR running!!)
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To: jazusamo

Only after Congress cut off financial support for South Vietnam, while the North Vietnamese continued to get support from the Communist bloc, did South Vietnam fall.

Since then, even the Communist conquerors have admitted that they did not win on the battlefield, but in the American media and in the American political arena, surrounded by an atmosphere created by a defeatist media.

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Plink!

BullsEye!


10 posted on 01/15/2007 9:58:46 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... California 2007,, Where's a script re-write guy when ya need 'em?)
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To: All; jazusamo

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NEVER FORGET


The Vietnam War:

Sen. TED KENNEDY pushed a post-WATERGATE Democrat Congress into cutting off all our funding for the Free South Vietnamese to repel a Communist Terrorist invasion from the North.

Giving us:

Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education (SLAVE LABOR) Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts



The Iraq War:

Sen. TED KENNEDY is now pushing a new Democrat Congress into doing the exact same thing to a Free Iraq =

12 Million suddenly missing Iraqi purple Voting fingers..?



Signed:.."ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer
Veteran-1st Major Battles for Freedom of the Vietnam War 1965-66

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set1.htm **

** See 5th Photo down-Sen. TED KENNEDY being briefed on exactly what the Fight for Freedom in South Vietnam was really all about, while touring military installations in-country, October 1965

In other words...
...Sen. TED KENNEDY has just known better from the very beginning.

For...
...the Enemy is now Within
...and always has been.


NEVER FORGET

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11 posted on 01/15/2007 10:04:36 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Rembrandt

He wouldn't take the job.

Not even with a gun to his head.


12 posted on 01/15/2007 10:04:50 PM PST by El Sordo
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To: jazusamo
American and other coalition troops in Iraq have had their hands tied with "rules of engagement" based on political, rather than military, considerations.

...Instead of confronting these militias at the outset with an ultimatum to disarm or be killed, we let the Iraqi government veto what our military forces could do, leaving Shi'ite militias intact in Baghdad's "Sadr City" neighborhood and elsewhere.

Having pushed the "democracy" vision for Iraq, we could not simply disregard the country's elected government. But democracy arose in western civilization centuries after law and order had been established. We tried to do it in the reverse order in Iraq.

13 posted on 01/15/2007 10:08:48 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Romney si! Rudy no!)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks for your post, ALOHA RONNIE.


14 posted on 01/15/2007 10:11:48 PM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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If it ever really is another 'Vietnam' then it will because the Democrats made it that way. Magic lines that cant be crossed to go after the enemies properly and then destroying what effectiveness is possible by playing politics and defunding the effort.
15 posted on 01/15/2007 10:25:19 PM PST by wodinoneeye
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To: jazusamo
.....Our choice may become whether we are prepared to sacrifice more American lives in order to prop up the Maliki government or whether we are prepared to sacrifice the Maliki government in order to restore law and order in Iraq.....

IMO this has become our choice.

16 posted on 01/15/2007 10:30:13 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: jazusamo

"The success or failure of the troop surge in Iraq may depend far more on whether those troops can again be hamstrung by politically restrictive "rules of engagement" than on how many troops there are."
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This has been my concern from the beginning....we cannot win a politically correct war!!

Get in, get the job done, get out.


17 posted on 01/15/2007 10:45:53 PM PST by cowdog77 (" Are there any brave men left in Washington, or are they all cowards.")
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To: jazusamo

Bump for later, since it's 2 a.m.


18 posted on 01/15/2007 10:50:29 PM PST by FoxInSocks
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To: jazusamo
*sigh* History repeats...



Kerry Lied


Millions Died

19 posted on 01/15/2007 10:54:32 PM PST by null and void (Propaganda doesn't have to make sense. Hell, it often works better if it doesn't.)
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To: jazusamo

Ping me!


20 posted on 01/15/2007 11:26:14 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Safe sex? Not until they develop a condom for the heart."--Freeper All the Best)
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