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Is this legal? If it is, how is this not insubordination?
1 posted on 01/15/2007 7:57:58 PM PST by Alter Kaker
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Is this legal? If it is, how is this not insubordination?

The concept is citizen soldiers. Insubordination would be if he refused to go, not if he redressed his Congressman and said going wasn't a good policy move.

2 posted on 01/15/2007 8:01:06 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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Boy, I wish I knew.


3 posted on 01/15/2007 8:03:35 PM PST by Txsleuth (FREEPATHON TIME-Please become a monthly donor, or Dollar a Day donor.)
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The weasels come out of the wordwork. Of course, no democrat has culled these traitors.


6 posted on 01/15/2007 8:06:15 PM PST by onedoug
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I call B.S. on their "petition". Fake signatures, most of them.


7 posted on 01/15/2007 8:08:52 PM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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What's interesting is how the MSM will word it. Will they change 1000 troops to 'thousands of troops'? Bet on it.
8 posted on 01/15/2007 8:09:05 PM PST by txhurl
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Sounds like a coup attempt.


9 posted on 01/15/2007 8:09:09 PM PST by donna
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Career killer. Let these guys do that, but they might as well not re-up, because they will never go anywhere in the military.


10 posted on 01/15/2007 8:09:31 PM PST by McGavin999 (Don't be a Freeploader, contribute to the upkeep of FreeRepublic)
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Is this legal? If it is, how is this not insubordination?

Every war has it's share of COWARDS.

12 posted on 01/15/2007 8:10:57 PM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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They show us 1/2 a sentence from some petition. We don't even know the overall point of the actual petition. Besides, 50 people doesn't make a consensus, not that the military operates on consensus.


13 posted on 01/15/2007 8:12:03 PM PST by Cementjungle
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The media uses one named example who is in Iraq but doesn't break down where the rest are and how many have actually been to Iraq. The idea of the military whistle blowers act was to be able to address congress in matters of concern when the chain of command was not trusted or feasible but I never have seen the media in this chain of command.
14 posted on 01/15/2007 8:12:29 PM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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1988 Military Whistleblower Protection Act,

To report fraud and abuse, not encourage insubordination.

But they have little to fear in terms of reprisals from the current CIC and they know it.

They wouldn't have dared try this with Reagan.

16 posted on 01/15/2007 8:12:52 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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"Is this legal?"

That's what I'm wondering. I don't think it's legal for active duty military to protest in such a way. Legal or not, it's certainly not the right thing to do. The enemy couldn't possibly buy propaganda this good....

18 posted on 01/15/2007 8:13:58 PM PST by KoRn
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Gee. 1000 whole signatures. There are 1.4 million people on active duty. The Army has 130,000 in Iraq, alone. That means that if the signatures were exclusively from soldiers serving in Iraq about 7/10th of 1% of the troops there signed the petition. If it is from all of the armed forces then it is one out of every 1400 people signed.

It is a rare organization in which less than 1% of its membership are kooks and flakes, but it looks like the armed forces is one of them.


19 posted on 01/15/2007 8:14:29 PM PST by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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More than 50 Officers? Active duty types?

I'll be interested to see if this nothing less than a bunch of AR/NG ROTC types who are sorry that they signed up for bennies, in order to get their education paid for. That is, if there is any validity to this at all.

You don't see this sort of nonsense coming from the Combat Arms units.
20 posted on 01/15/2007 8:16:13 PM PST by Radix (My Tag Line has a first name....its O S C A R.)
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It's certainly legal; the first amendment documents our right to petition for redress, after all.

I wonder how many of these "vets" and "troops" are really troops. Almost every anti=war "vet" turns out to be a phony: Micah Wright, Jesse Macbeth, and on and on and on. Indeed, I'm not aware of any of the publically celebrated members of "Iraq Veterans Against the War" who is actually, you know, an "Iraq Veteran."

This is the same thing that happened with the VVAW, of which the IVAW is a spinoff. Look at an IVAW protest and you see all the paunchy sixty-year olds in grey ponytails and BDUs (a uniform from the 1980s) with a dog's breakfast of mismatched pins and patches.

Sure, there are some traitors who piss on the blood of their former mates (Stan Goff, who is active in IVAW despite not being an IV, comes to mind), but most of them are just unemployed, welfare-leech mama's boys pretending to be traitors.

As strange as it sounds, in DU/Kos social circles, traitor is something to aspire to. Extra points if you can blame all your troubles on "New York money people" or some other synonym for Joooooz.

You'd have to have lived a sheltered childhood and never known a soul who was actually in the military to take these clowns seriously -- which is why MSM reporters take them seriously.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

21 posted on 01/15/2007 8:22:02 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F (This tagline has been laid off so the other one can get the new min. wage. It will now turn to crime)
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A group of more than 50 active-duty military officers

If that's true and that's a big if, these 50 officers must not like their commissions.

22 posted on 01/15/2007 8:24:26 PM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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This Cantu is the one who has the Iraq Veterans Against the War website. Evidently, sponsored by moveon.org, they are marching on Washington on January 27.

per unitedforpeace.org website


25 posted on 01/15/2007 8:33:01 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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“Any troop increase over here will just produce more sitting ducks, more targets,”

This is the lefty meme of the moment, intended apparently for the hinterland masses and not for the self-designated elite. It is so widespread in fact that it has made its way onto a promo for one of the gibbering baboons who hosts a morning talk-show in Lubbock. Do these people really suppose that terror attacks are currently limited by the terrorists' inability to find more targets?


26 posted on 01/15/2007 8:44:59 PM PST by atomic conspiracy (Rousing the blog-rabble since 9-11-01)
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If legit, it's probably because we're fighting a PC war instead of killing people and breaking things.


27 posted on 01/15/2007 8:49:22 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Celebrate Mediocrity!)
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When I was in the Navy, you could perhaps ask to discuss a piece of strategy. You could recommend a change to strategy. But to tell your superior that his/her strategy was wrong was to ask to get real familiar with the inside of the brig.


28 posted on 01/15/2007 8:52:46 PM PST by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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