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Grumbling in the Ranks [PELOSI AT WORK ALERT --- MAJOR UCMJ VIOLATIONS]
Washington Wire / Wall Street Journal ^ | January 15, 2007

Posted on 01/15/2007 7:57:55 PM PST by Alter Kaker

Vocal opposition to President’s Bush’s strategy of sending more than 20,000 additional troops to help secure Iraq has grown to include some of the troops themselves.

A group of more than 50 active-duty military officers will deliver a petition to Congress on Tuesday signed by about 1,000 troops calling for an end to the U.S. occupation of Iraq. “Any troop increase over here will just produce more sitting ducks, more targets,” said Sergeant Ronn Cantu, who is serving in Iraq.

Under the 1988 Military Whistleblower Protection Act, active duty military, National Guard, and Reservists may communicate with any member of Congress without fear of reprisal, even if copies of the communication are sent to others.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: congress; iraq; mutiny; pelosi; ucmj
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Is this legal? If it is, how is this not insubordination?
1 posted on 01/15/2007 7:57:58 PM PST by Alter Kaker
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Is this legal? If it is, how is this not insubordination?

The concept is citizen soldiers. Insubordination would be if he refused to go, not if he redressed his Congressman and said going wasn't a good policy move.

2 posted on 01/15/2007 8:01:06 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Alter Kaker

Boy, I wish I knew.


3 posted on 01/15/2007 8:03:35 PM PST by Txsleuth (FREEPATHON TIME-Please become a monthly donor, or Dollar a Day donor.)
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This Leads on the the Today Show in the AM...


4 posted on 01/15/2007 8:04:37 PM PST by fhlh (Liberal (noun): A person so open minded, their brains have fallen out of their head.)
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To: Gunslingr3
It is not refusing to go, it is refusing an order.

From Wikipedia

Insubordination is the act of a subordinate deliberately disobeying a lawful order. Insubordination is typically a punishable offense in hierarchical organizations which depend on people lower in the chain of command to do as they are told. The term does not cover behaviours like bad work ethics, voicing complaints, or refusing to perform an action that is not safe, ethical, or legal. However, the person may well get accused of insubordination in such a case.

The concept of insubordination is most often associated with military organizations, as military organizations have a chain of command and lawful orders given by a superior officer, whose orders are expected to be carried out by the person to whom the order is given. Refusal of a military officer to obey his (civilian) superiors would also count, though in some nations the head of the government is (at least technically) also the most superior officer of the military (see for example Commander in Chief in the US).

5 posted on 01/15/2007 8:05:32 PM PST by RetiredArmy (Dimocrats stand for everything I hate, despise and wish to see destroyed, including dimocrats!)
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The weasels come out of the wordwork. Of course, no democrat has culled these traitors.


6 posted on 01/15/2007 8:06:15 PM PST by onedoug
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I call B.S. on their "petition". Fake signatures, most of them.


7 posted on 01/15/2007 8:08:52 PM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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What's interesting is how the MSM will word it. Will they change 1000 troops to 'thousands of troops'? Bet on it.
8 posted on 01/15/2007 8:09:05 PM PST by txhurl
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Sounds like a coup attempt.


9 posted on 01/15/2007 8:09:09 PM PST by donna
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Career killer. Let these guys do that, but they might as well not re-up, because they will never go anywhere in the military.


10 posted on 01/15/2007 8:09:31 PM PST by McGavin999 (Don't be a Freeploader, contribute to the upkeep of FreeRepublic)
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Oh..for sure it will.

It will be on Imus and Sissy Chrissy Matthews.

Someone in the House and the Senate will get up on the floor and wave this around...PROOF that Pres. Bush is WRONG.


11 posted on 01/15/2007 8:10:37 PM PST by Txsleuth (FREEPATHON TIME-Please become a monthly donor, or Dollar a Day donor.)
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Is this legal? If it is, how is this not insubordination?

Every war has it's share of COWARDS.

12 posted on 01/15/2007 8:10:57 PM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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They show us 1/2 a sentence from some petition. We don't even know the overall point of the actual petition. Besides, 50 people doesn't make a consensus, not that the military operates on consensus.


13 posted on 01/15/2007 8:12:03 PM PST by Cementjungle
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The media uses one named example who is in Iraq but doesn't break down where the rest are and how many have actually been to Iraq. The idea of the military whistle blowers act was to be able to address congress in matters of concern when the chain of command was not trusted or feasible but I never have seen the media in this chain of command.
14 posted on 01/15/2007 8:12:29 PM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: advance_copy

BS here too. I'll believe it, when I see it.


15 posted on 01/15/2007 8:12:48 PM PST by davetex (There are no stupid questions, however there does seem to be an abundance of inquisitive idiots.)
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To: Alter Kaker
1988 Military Whistleblower Protection Act,

To report fraud and abuse, not encourage insubordination.

But they have little to fear in terms of reprisals from the current CIC and they know it.

They wouldn't have dared try this with Reagan.

16 posted on 01/15/2007 8:12:52 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: McGavin999

1000 enlisted is one thing, but what were those 50 officers thinking? Anyway, this will be all over the news tomorrow.


17 posted on 01/15/2007 8:13:10 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heie)
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"Is this legal?"

That's what I'm wondering. I don't think it's legal for active duty military to protest in such a way. Legal or not, it's certainly not the right thing to do. The enemy couldn't possibly buy propaganda this good....

18 posted on 01/15/2007 8:13:58 PM PST by KoRn
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Gee. 1000 whole signatures. There are 1.4 million people on active duty. The Army has 130,000 in Iraq, alone. That means that if the signatures were exclusively from soldiers serving in Iraq about 7/10th of 1% of the troops there signed the petition. If it is from all of the armed forces then it is one out of every 1400 people signed.

It is a rare organization in which less than 1% of its membership are kooks and flakes, but it looks like the armed forces is one of them.


19 posted on 01/15/2007 8:14:29 PM PST by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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More than 50 Officers? Active duty types?

I'll be interested to see if this nothing less than a bunch of AR/NG ROTC types who are sorry that they signed up for bennies, in order to get their education paid for. That is, if there is any validity to this at all.

You don't see this sort of nonsense coming from the Combat Arms units.
20 posted on 01/15/2007 8:16:13 PM PST by Radix (My Tag Line has a first name....its O S C A R.)
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