Posted on 01/15/2007 2:37:16 PM PST by Enterprise
KIRKWOOD, Mo. (AP) - While his alleged kidnapper was away at work, teenager Shawn Hornbeck apparently had access to a computer, and may have put photos of himself online and posted a chilling message on a site created by his own desperate parents: "How long are you planning to look for your son?"
A series of Web postings under the name "Shawn Devlin" - Devlin is the last name of the man suspected of kidnapping Shawn and posing as his father - came to light after Shawn's rescue from an apartment in Kirkwood last week.
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Is this to say good kids from good homes never run off? C;mon now, surely you know better than that. Think about me as you will, I will make no attempt to change your mind. I will say that if you think good kids from good homes don't run off and do foolish things, that you would be the one out there with far fetched ideas.
When someone takes your child, from your own house, you don't have the look in your eyes that you know who has her unless you actually do, and allthough you want them to still be alive, in your heart, and thru your eyes it is seen, that the notion they are not is present. Look to Brenda Van Dam and Damon Van dam when their little girl was taken from their home. Compare the two and just tell me you see no difference.
Yes, they are different people and different people react different ways but that is not the only explanation for a difference in reactions. It appears to me that the Van Dams had no idea where their daughter was and that the Smarts did. Sue me for having intuition. I do so appologize.
Evidence of a crime is what it is regardless of where it came from. Would you agree with that? By your standard anytime a police officer comes upon something when out on patrol they are just trolling for lawbreakers. Is that really how you feel? Do you feel that sex offenses are a stand alone offense that requires it's own set of rules?
Interesting position from a person with the nick 'snoopers', but to be fair maybe I am not catching what the 868th means.
I believe a person has the right not to testify in court. Appearing there to claim their right under the 5th is another story imho. I belive the 5th is the right not answer questions, not the right not to be asked them. If a video is there as proof and a person choses not to answer questions so be it. The government has a duty to prosecute lawbreakers.
Example: I hire an illegal alien, they are clearly breaking the law and should be prosecuted. Their presence is kind of like the video, clear evidence available. What right do I have to say, I refuse to prosecute them? It is not my rule they violated it is one of society. People versus________.
Sorry you don't like videos but I do understand the point you are making. ME, I like them when proper context exists within them. (Rodney King Video is an example of one that doesn't) I hear you about runaway brides and folks stuck on a mountain and what they cost society. Proper assigning of personal responsibility would take care of alot of that business.
I absolutely agree with you that our mainstream media has become a laughable joke. I agree it could be a very good thing if it was employed in the proper way for the proper reasons. To be honest that is exactly how I feel about the United Nations. The sad thing is that people refuse to deal with IS on the IS level and they let emotion play into it and even overtake the is. The media has grown to thrive on emotion instead of the is. Bill CLinton sure didn't help in that department. Hopefully one day we will see that change.
To be clear, I don't buy much about the ES case as told by Ed. To be honest, he gives me the creeps.
And, unless Elizabeth decides to ever tell it, her story will never be told. There will be no trial.
The best that can be said, is Elizabeth appears to be doing fine. I think she's now in college. Whatever happened to her, she seems to have had the strength and will to go on with her life.
All the other side issues, like my distaste for Ed, is just clutter. The perps are off the streets and ES survived. To me, that's the end of the story.
Newbie: Your speculations concerning Elizabeth Smart are irresponsible, libelous, and disgusting. You have an evil mind. Don't bother replying to me. You're boring, too. I stopped wading through your verbose, evidenceless garbage after you libeled Elizabeth Smart and will not read anymore of your stupid posts.
I would have to say basically yes BUT I do not want police wasting time on teenagers beating themselves up for a film on the Internet. I do want them to break it up and if so I expect them to pursue if the parents want to press charges.
By your standard anytime a police officer comes upon something when out on patrol they are just trolling for lawbreakers. Is that really how you feel?
Yes, I agree with that. They are patrolling looking for lawbreakers.
Do you feel that sex offenses are a stand alone offense that requires it's own set of rules?
For the most part yes because the victim has to appear and press charges. If I am not mistaken in some states prosecution is required.
Interesting position from a person with the nick 'snoopers', but to be fair maybe I am not catching what the 868th means.
You are way off. 868th Bombardment Squadron called "Snoopers" were a classified group of B-24 flyers in WW-II. They began in Guadalcanal perfecting Low Altitude Bombing utilizing radar in the Pacific.
I believe a person has the right not to testify in court. Appearing there to claim their right under the 5th is another story imho. I belive the 5th is the right not answer questions, not the right not to be asked them. If a video is there as proof and a person choses not to answer questions so be it. The government has a duty to prosecute lawbreakers.
You have mixed different elements. The government has a duty to prosecute if the crime was against the government or its peoples as a whole and the government is the Plaintiff. If the a crime is against an individual because a law was broken against another individual, the prosecutor has the obligation to prosecute the crimes brought to him (usually via police). If a "victim" chooses not to prosecute I do not want the government wasting taxpayers money and the prosecutors resources.
Example: I hire an illegal alien, they are clearly breaking the law and should be prosecuted. Their presence is kind of like the video, clear evidence available. What right do I have to say, I refuse to prosecute them? It is not my rule they violated it is one of society. People versus________.
This is a federal law and the illegal alien clearly is breaking a law on behalf of the American citizens as a whole. This should be prosecuted and so should you for hiring the illegal since you knew he was.
Sorry you don't like videos but I do understand the point you are making. ME, I like them when proper context exists within them. (Rodney King Video is an example of one that doesn't) I hear you about runaway brides and folks stuck on a mountain and what they cost society. Proper assigning of personal responsibility would take care of alot of that business.
I didn't say I did not like the videos. They belong on Inside Edition or some entertainment T.V. show not the news.
I absolutely agree with you that our mainstream media has become a laughable joke. I agree it could be a very good thing if it was employed in the proper way for the proper reasons. To be honest that is exactly how I feel about the United Nations. The sad thing is that people refuse to deal with IS on the IS level and they let emotion play into it and even overtake the is. The media has grown to thrive on emotion instead of the is. Bill CLinton sure didn't help in that department. Hopefully one day we will see that change.
United Nations is a total waste of money and should be put out of our country. I don't see a change in the future. With 24 hour news they have to dig up some trash for us to view and most viewers love it. Just look at the ratings regarding the View and that loud-mouth Rosie O'Donnell. Where are the people wondering how she treats her kids? Girls Gone Wild is only an extension of Bill Clinton's revelation regarding his underwear on M-TV.
I am going to bed. LOL
I am so angry at people wondering and accusing the poor kid than the 300# Monster kidnapper....
SHAME ON YOU!!!!
and he wasn't in school now was he?.......
I would hope freepers would have more sympathy for YOUR child if this ever happened....than what you show this child....
as in the Smart case, it really matters little what actually happened....a kid is still a kid...and an 11 yro and a 15 yro are not legally able to make the decision to leave home and take up with strangers....AFAIK of course....
Viagra baby.......I won't be surprised if they find THAT in the house as well......
I'm not talking about gestation, I'm talking about a full 40 weeks of pg. I've had two kids, I think I know what I'm talking about.
I guess you seem to want to defend the idea that Smart had a baby? Pathetic!
Someone keeps this up I bet the Smart family will sue for libel!
I'm not going to sue you, but you better be careful because the Smart's will! Are you an expert in in the field of people's responses and how they are suppose toa ct under duress? I'm guessing not! You are all about bashing victims and I find that pathetic. You will get sued if you keep typing stuff about people that isn't true.
Kids grow, and some nervous people eat for comfort, and if you eat while your physical activities are reduced to moping around hiding, you will gain weight.
Your conjectures that a 15 year old was mesmerized into a physical relationship with this dirty long haired indigent laborer is the fantabulous conjecture of the chronic gossips, always looking for more dirt to soil the victim.
Footloose is a fictional film and I'm sure the gossip about a lot of PK's is just that, gossip. They are no more or less human than the rest of us, but because some prurient a-holes somehow think that PK's are supposed to be "better" than average, some how that makes their faults all the more salacious. What is said about PK's often says more about the prurient interests of the gossips.
Poor Elizabeth was physically examined by doctors and a rape kit was done to gather physical evidence. Sorry, they can tell when girls/women have given birth. There are permanent changes to the breasts, cervix, uterus and pelvic bones.
Your "feelings" are just that, feelings and not fact and you may have a right to ask questions but you don't have a right to an answer. That family owes you nothing.
Don't expect others to jump on your bandwagon of ill conceived conjecture. All it shows is that you speculate wildly without ever seeking factual information.
Permanent changes are one thing I take note of that make me wonder. I am sorry you hate so much that a person thinks and questions and poses ideas to explore and poses questions to seek answers.
Make it all about hate if that is what you want to but understand that is YOUR perception of my position.
Funny how you expect your OWN perception to be valid but you will spew such venom towards me for doing that very same thing.
Victims are no more or less human than the rest of us. Your own point makes one of mine Just becasue they come from a good family in a good town wih good neighbors does mean automatically mean they are good or that they always do good things. YOU put a victim on a pedastal as if they hold no responsibility whatsoever. You can do that if you like, but others won't and you shouold accept that for what it is...another's perspective that is not your own.
If you seek to protect your own ability to hold your own positions and your own perceptions, then you should spend more time protecting other's rights to do that very same thng and less time spewing venom at them for doing the very same thing you are doing.
You may feel that nothing is owed but don't expect others to coddle you and just fall ino line with your position. Spewing vitriolic statements wll not accomplish that so your effort is wasted. The family got something that most do not get and where I come from you return kindness, not just take your benefits and run. I do feel they owe something and you don't the right or the ability to force me to see it otherwise.
As for your comment about seeking factual information, well that is the goal when a question is asked. Seems that you just slammed me for asking questions and then slammed me for not seeking factual information. So then Which is it then?
With the advent of your little blunder of trying to have it both ways, you have exposed yourself as simply trying to slam me because you don't like, and disagree with, the position I take due to the perception I have. This is characteristic of someone on the hard left, not unlike the way Cindy Sheehan treats George W Bush.
You should really take a look at that with some time fo self reflection and decide if you are willing to accept that you offer the same tactics that she does.
Now, it is your choice if you do so or not. All I am doing by making that statement is posting to you my perception of your posts to me. Have a nice day.
Your problem is your total ignorance of pubertal development in female children and confusing it with post-partum physiological changes in women.
So you see a 15 year old girl who has physically matured over a period of time and say in your prurient mind aha, she has had a baby even though the evidence/information released by the authorities state unequivocally otherwise.
The questions you ask where answered, but people like you that cannot accept the factual truth because it doesn't square with your infallible god-like perceptions and feelings.
You don't want to know the truth because you prefer to wallow in speculation. You want to hammer at the personal responsibility of the victims based on your personal perceptions which are third hand and agenda driven.
You KNOW nothing and you are motivated by your own twisted agenda. Pretty obvious that you've found none here to make common cause with your pathetic drivel and now you are reduced to accusing me of hate and repression.
You have a right to your own opinion, but you don't have a right to your own facts.
It's vile, sick and disgusting, had this piece of sludge done this to my child, I would not be responsible for what I would do to this person.
yep. I think this boy has been worshipping the devil, hating life, and has falledn into such terrible things since he was tkane. Only God can heal this child and I think he needs our prayers more than anything now.
I have reported you to the moderator. Not sure what they will do, but your statements are highly irresponsible and libelous. In post #87 you stated it is highly probably Elizabeth Smart has a baby with her captors. You have no facts to support this statement and you need to stop!
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