Posted on 01/15/2007 8:04:12 AM PST by shrinkermd
The Sixties generation thought everything should be free. But only a few decades later the hippies were selling water at rock festivals for $5 a bottle. But for me the price of “free love” was even higher.
I sacrificed what should have been the best years of my life for the black lie of free love. All the sex I ever had — and I had more than my fair share — far from bringing me the lasting relationship I sought, only made marriage a more distant prospect...
And I am not alone. Count me among the dissatisfied daughters of the sexual revolution, a new counterculture of women who are realising that casual sex is a con and are choosing to remain chaste instead.
I am 37, and like millions of other girls, was born into a world which encouraged young women to explore their sexuality. It was almost presented to us as a feminist act. In the 1960s the future Cosmopolitan editor Helen Gurley Brown famously asked: Can a woman have sex like a man? Yes, she answered because “like a man, [a woman] is a sexual creature”. Her insight launched a million “100 new sex tricks” features in women’s magazines. And then that sex-loving feminist icon Germaine Greer enthused that “groupies are important because they demystify sex; they accept it as physical, and they aren’t possessive about their conquests”.
(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...
"What other religion teaches that you're going to hell for masturbation? "
I thought you could only go blind for masturbating, I had no idea you could go to hell too. Boy, now I'm really scared!!!
Birth control, then, should be distinguished from contraception. Even a kind of modified abstinence can be birth control (can give you control over the number and frequency of conceptions)---so, OK. But contraception, to make the distinction, is using drugs, devices, or surgery to undermine your fertility by treating it like a disease. That is not acelebration of natural, normal, healthy sex and it is not cool.
You certainly didn't help your case.
I was simply responding in kind. ;)
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Hunter112 says: What you're saying is that the only purpose of marriage and sexuality is to have children, all that "proper understanding of intercourse" thing.That certainly is NOT what the Church teaches. The Church teaches that "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."
The Church teaches that sex inside of a valid and licit marriage is both for the purpose of love and procreation.
Question: If a married couple's sincere attitude is "We have good reasons for wanting to wait but God knows best and if He sends us a child now, so be it" - what is the functional difference between periodic abstinence during fertile periods, and a barrier method? No barrier method is 100% accurate and God is powerful enough not to be stopped by a piece of rubber if that couple's supposed to have kids now.
What about a woman who's had many kids, wanted as many as God would give her, and now the doctors say "If you have one more, you will die"? Shouldn't she take every precaution, including surgical sterilization, to preserve her own life?
It affects young women's behavior as well- a young women who is determined to stay a virgin until her wedding night has to be able to find a man who is willing to forgo sexual relations for the months or years it takes for the dating/courtship/engagement period. Since men have access to other women who will "put out" without delay, her choices are greatly limited. A virgin woman in a society where 80-90% of women are not virgins on their wedding day is at a great disadvantage.
Most sex begins with a kiss.
Casual sex is a counterfeit for real love, otherwise the kiss wouldn't matter. Like fraudulent notes, they're worth nothing and brings pain and frustration.
These things can be explained quite well and sufficiently w/o referring to God. As to the claim, "God made the world", it can not be shown that He did. It can be shown by observational evidence and logic, that the energy that the world is composed of always existed.
"God has defined right and wrong and is the only source of morality."
No. Any valid moral code must stand on it's own w/o reference to any being whatsoever. If you can not independently come up with a valid moral code w/o referring to any being as the source, then the code is not absolute, it's arbitrary.
So? What woman who is intent on keeping her virginity until her wedding night, would want a man who pressures her for sex on the first date? They're not looking for the same thing, they won't be making a life together.
Women interested in chastity look for men who seek chastity also. That's how it works. Such men exist. This article makes it sound like it's us poor put-upon women who are robbed of our support for staying pure against the ravages of men. But well-trained and morally upright men want the same thing.
"It can be shown by observational evidence and logic, that the energy that the world is composed of always existed."
Then please, by all means, show me. Also, please explain to me the preconditions which make observational evidence something that I should accept as an absolute.
No. Any valid moral code must stand on it's own w/o reference to any being whatsoever. If you can not independently come up with a valid moral code w/o referring to any being as the source, then the code is not absolute, it's arbitrary."
Can you tell me what is a "valid" moral code? Upon what authority does your definition of "valid" rest?
I agree 100%.
But when the vast majority of men aren't willing to wait for you, and move on to your more willing friends, it becomes harder to remain virginal. In the old days, most girls stayed virgins until their wedding day, so any one girl knew that she could wait her boyfriend wait throughout the dating/engagement period (i.e. a year or two) because he had few other clean options if he wanted to have sex.
Today, with few women remaining virgins, guys have many options- they can get with a girl who have sex after the first date, a girl who will have sex after three months, and a girl who will have sex after the engagement. Given that most who have posted on this thread so far that they believe the saying "girls give sex to get love, and guys give love to sex", the number of guys willing to wait for the wedding night is diminished in a society where most unmarried women are not virgins.
What a dumb question, Rod. You know full well that's entirely dependent of the hotness of the female teacher in question. >8^)>
No, I don't think so. I meade a point rather than merely expressing my preference. Try again.
I know this goes against conventional wisdom, and is often met with hostility on FR, but the truth is that a quality man looking for a quality woman has it a lot better than a quality woman looking for a quality man.
Guys who can't get dates and regular girlfriends are most likely looking in the wrong places. The guy who wrote to Abby might also be getting rejected for women for other (substantive) reasons.
Yep, and it is backed by science also, whether hunter112 likes it or not.
QUOTE: Concerning marital sex, the same report indicates that “a monogamous sexual partnership embedded in a formal marriage evidently produces the greatest satisfaction and pleasure.” (p. 364). Further, religious women are more likely to report being sexually satisfied than non-religious counterparts. These are the women who are more likely to have waited until they can follow the teachings of their faith about being “embedded in a formal marriage” before they have sex. However, presumably abstaining works for those of all faiths and those with none.
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