Posted on 01/15/2007 8:04:12 AM PST by shrinkermd
The Sixties generation thought everything should be free. But only a few decades later the hippies were selling water at rock festivals for $5 a bottle. But for me the price of “free love” was even higher.
I sacrificed what should have been the best years of my life for the black lie of free love. All the sex I ever had — and I had more than my fair share — far from bringing me the lasting relationship I sought, only made marriage a more distant prospect...
And I am not alone. Count me among the dissatisfied daughters of the sexual revolution, a new counterculture of women who are realising that casual sex is a con and are choosing to remain chaste instead.
I am 37, and like millions of other girls, was born into a world which encouraged young women to explore their sexuality. It was almost presented to us as a feminist act. In the 1960s the future Cosmopolitan editor Helen Gurley Brown famously asked: Can a woman have sex like a man? Yes, she answered because “like a man, [a woman] is a sexual creature”. Her insight launched a million “100 new sex tricks” features in women’s magazines. And then that sex-loving feminist icon Germaine Greer enthused that “groupies are important because they demystify sex; they accept it as physical, and they aren’t possessive about their conquests”.
(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...
Probably.
Do you believe that her former lifestyle would be all right so long as she "felt good" about it?
It's too late to turn back the clock on what happened. What matters now is how you deal with it. You can either plunge into the exact opposite behavior, and proselytize it, or you can simply get some help from a friend or counselor, and just figure out how to forgive yourself for it, and go on with life, making better choices in the future. If Dawn has found a lifestyle that now suits her and makes her feel better, doesn't that fit your relativistic philosophy?
Sure, it does. She can pick any religion she wants to follow, with whatever beliefs it still retains.
Why do you resent her choice? Just because she has written a book that contradicts your own choices?
As a matter of fact, I did the same stupid thing myself some years ago (well, not the book). I thought I had a drinking problem (got a ticket on the way home from a party thrown by the boss), and joined the Bahai faith to "deal" with it. After awhile, I realized that the Bahai faith is just 'Islam lite', and started taking responsibility for making better choices when I drink. I see her doing the same thing, and while people here are willing to pile praise on her, I'm willing to discuss the other side of it.
If my discussions have made you think, then that's all I ask, if not, then feel free to ignore me. I learn far more from people I disagree with, than from people who agree with me.
Oh enlightened one, please share your beliefs with us so that we can "make sense" of it all.
Technology has changed. Human nature has not. The burden of proof is on your side to show that those rules are merely to satisfy the needs of a pre-industrial society, and not to satisfy the deepest needs of human beings, needs that are part of their nature, not part of their technological surroundings.
You might want to ease up a little bit. This sounds like a person who has done exactly what God calls us to do: turn away from sin and towards Him. What's your problem with that?
Agreed as of today, but four or five hundred years ago, the struggles between Catholicism and Protestantism could have been interpreted as promoting a culture of death. I expect the Islamics to grow out of it, too, but I certainly expect there will be a LOT more killing before that happens. One of the things that makes America great is that the Founding Fathers agreed in principle to not make religion something that was to be fought over, or used as a basis for public office, citizenship, or human rights.
My opinions are not stones....and remain my opinions.
I stand by them.
It's not meant as invective.
But just as everyone says we need to recognize the truth, such as "women are different from men", we need to be able to state it from both sides.
This article (and more, the replies to it) essentially states women aren't as sexual as men - that they "need a reason", and all that. Which I guess is "painting with a broad brush".
The flip side of that is that men are more sexual - AKA more promiscuous, and hence more likely to give in to those temptations.
Why is it OK to say it 1 way and not the other?
Perhaps. She is substituting one form of external validation for another - and it won't solve her problem: why she craves the external validation in the first place.
'This thread is getting, like, complicated and stuff.'
She probably has the plug in kind, all those batteries were costing her a fortune.
Looking at that photo almost makes you want to gouge your eyeballs out they are so tainted!
Your "opinion" that women who live with men are "whores."
Wow. Good luck with that.
And FTR, I do not believe men and women should live together outside of marriage. I think it's wrong for BOTH men AND women. I do not believe it makes anyone a "whore."
Wrong. That isn't all it does.
It teaches you that your sexuality exists simply to serve your need for selfish pleasure, apart from being any sort of gift to anyone else, most particularly to God or to your (future) spouse.
It's a wretched preparation for marriage, because it teaches "lessons" that simply need to be unlearned to be happy in marriage, and to make your spouse happy in marriage.
See post #55 - that poster thinks being moral is crude.
Morality as crude is a new one on me.
Well, it's always easier to condemn morality than to actually be moral.
Some women refuse to learn the basic concepts about men and women. Some women who do learn the basic concepts refuse to acknowledge that the concepts apply to them. When did you first notice women in college taking “feminist” classes whilst the men took classes that would benefit them in their chosen profession?
The first basic concept that women need to accept is that men and women are not created equal. Men and women complement each other. Men and women complete each other. Men and women are complementary.
Another, perhaps less accepted concept, is that women give sex to get love whilst men give love to get sex.
It is in these types of statements that the parallels between Christianity-in-practice and Marxism-in-practice stand out with stark clarity.
Blah blah blah....
Really, again, SO WHAT?
Nothing such people do is HURTING ANYONE (unlike screwing someone which can affect their health mental or physical, as well as producing a child in bad circumstances), and it's not even hurting themselves. So who cares?
That is a thoughtful answer. I guess I saw your response as one that faulted her feelings as opposed to her actions as the problem, and your seeming antipathy to religion. One bad experience with religion doesn't invalidate all religions.
Further, her choice of religion may be what is needed for her circumstances. While she seems quite extreme in her attitudes now about intimacy, that may be what she needs to avoid casual sex, in the same manner that an alcoholic must avoid all alcohol because of his or her past abuse. I don't see her as expecting everyone to follow her example, even if she wrote a book about it.
Thanks for your respectful response. I, too, learn a lot from people with whom I disagree. That's why I hang out on Free Republic.
Exactly. Exactly. That is the central lie of feminism.
I read some rhetoric from a pro-abortion woman recently, which amounted to saying that she thought she had to be able to kill her kids so that she could "function in society" like her brothers and father.
It never seemed to occur to her that she shouldn't seek to function in society as a man, but as a woman. And that's intrinsically different ... not inferior, not superior, but different and complementary. At it's root, feminism is mis-named, because it doesn't seek to exalt femininity, it seeks to annihilate it.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.