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Cops: Child Pornography Found on Mo. Kidnap Suspect's Computer
New York Post via FOX News ^ | January 15, 2007 | Andy Geller

Posted on 01/15/2007 5:19:13 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: sharkhawk
IMHO the proof that he is a pedophile is that he stole another 11 year old when the first child started hitting adulthood.

DING!DING!DING! We have a winner!
41 posted on 01/15/2007 7:09:23 AM PST by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: OldFriend

You can see the unpspoken shame and embarrassment in the older boy's gaze. He does not understand how vulnerable he was, to what extreme he was a manipulated victim not a participant and he feels his own sense of guilt for what happened. (he shouldn't, but he does)

He needs now and will need lots of help for a long time. After a few years with his perpatrator he had two possible futures waiting for him, if help did not arrive beforehand - one of constant self-destructive behavior, manifested at times in extreme rage (lashing out) and/or sucicde attmepts - from the erroneous guilt and shame he has acquired, or one of becoming just like his perp. He still has a high risk of self-destructive behavior if he cannot unlearn the guilt and shame.


42 posted on 01/15/2007 7:13:39 AM PST by Wuli
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To: ErieGeno

So, you don't know or have a clue what Devlin has done? Your nor sure what he is guitly of? Let's see, he kidnapped two boys and held them hostage. Pretty clear to me and other's what that SOMETHING Devlin is guilty of!


43 posted on 01/15/2007 7:14:51 AM PST by Halls (My parents raised me RIGHT!)
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To: Wuli

They are not excuses. I was referring to the habit of the press of simply saying child porn was found on a computer. I have no doubt this guy is a pervert and had a collection of kiddie porn.

Sorry if you misunderstood the gist of my post.

Thanks!


44 posted on 01/15/2007 7:15:45 AM PST by jwparkerjr
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To: ErieGeno

Your thesis marks in time what is becoming obvious for right-minded people. Something that has been in BLACK AND WHITE insofar as right vs. wrong, is now somehow in the gray area. But oh well, you know, what do we really know, we have to know the circumstances, the intent, blah, blah, blah. The arguments people like you put forth to justify what this man did, who won't come out and just say what they really mean. C'mon, this boy is GAY, right? He wanted this, just needed a little nudge to find his true identity. Won't be long before the NAMBLA club of perverts will be able to vomit this kind of twisted logic and make a go of putting up that piece of shit as a VICTIM


45 posted on 01/15/2007 7:18:09 AM PST by SaintDismas (.)
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To: Kaslin
Where are all the porn-lovers who claim that porn is harmless?
46 posted on 01/15/2007 7:19:16 AM PST by semaj (Just shoot the bastards!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; ichabod1; All
>"Don't you wonder why he didn't call home? I do"
>>'Stockholm Syndrome' would be my guess. He was just a kid

I don't have a link,
but I've read of cases where
private detectives

tracked down missing kids
and the shocking and sad truth
is that the children

(even young children)
have run away on their own
and have bluntly used

pedophiles as their
means of "life-support," traveling
one to another

as they grow up and
travel the world. The mainstream
never talks about

this dark, bizarre world
going on all around us,
but I think it's there.

47 posted on 01/15/2007 7:19:31 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: semaj

Give it time.......


48 posted on 01/15/2007 7:20:58 AM PST by bonfire
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I applaude the parents for bring the boys to the news conference. The boys did absolutely nothing wrong, nothing to hide.


49 posted on 01/15/2007 7:21:41 AM PST by mel
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To: ichabod1
Don't you wonder why he didn't call home? I do.

The same reason Elizabeth Smart didn't. They were still children when kidnapped and subject to psychological conditioning that would not work on an adult.

Child predators tend to pick their victims carefully. They seldom choose aggressively self-confident and outgoing kids. Likewise, a streetwise kid who has learned to negotiate and survive a drug and gang infested inner city culture is probably a bad bet.

But a shy, naive, dependent, unaggressive kid from a rural or suburban family and community? That's the child predator's natural target.

50 posted on 01/15/2007 7:22:03 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: ichabod1

His perp is a manipulator, understands how psychologically vulnerable his victims are, and is so controlling he is able to as quickly as possible convince his victims that they are not victims but participants, with him. Yet, a deep small voice inside each victim knows something is wrong about that and they also feel guilty for their "participation". Guilt, shame, fear, lack of moral strength and lack of coping skills against the psychological manipulators. The victim's response seems irrational to us because we do not have their pschological vulnerability and are not living through a situation that is most accurately like a horrible dream with all the exits closed (the manipulated guilt and shame have closed them).


51 posted on 01/15/2007 7:22:29 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

What is weird


52 posted on 01/15/2007 7:23:26 AM PST by mel
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To: TomGuy

I think back to age 11 and thought I would have called home and/or tried to escape, but I don't know, since it's still my adult mind trying to think as I did at age 11.


53 posted on 01/15/2007 7:23:47 AM PST by RockinRight (To compare Congress to drunken sailors is an insult to drunken sailors. - Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: AppyPappy
Consider yourself lucky! It's not how long you've been on the Internet as much as how long you've had the same address. In addition, I was the victim of a mail bomb virus a couple of years ago where hundreds of thousands of spam emails were sent out using my address.

I can not address your experiences on the Internet, but can however say with complete confidence how often the caching system flushes or replaces information is a factor of the individual system. If you, like I have, put in a new hard drive and moved your former primary drive to a secondary drive then a lot of the cached info will be there indefinitely since it's not longer the active cache area.

I was not attempting to excuse this guy, or downplay the problem of porn on the net, but rather pointing out that its presence is not always the result of a pervert collecting it and/or dealing in it.

When a legal authority takes your system their search of the hard drive is a lot more extensive than the casual perusal you or might might do. I'm sure you are computer-savvy enough to know that some files NEVER get replaced, but simply have the system's link to the file removed. The picture, info, data, text is still there and readily recoverable by a someone intent on finding it.

Many thanks!
54 posted on 01/15/2007 7:24:19 AM PST by jwparkerjr
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To: ichabod1

I read somewhere that he was told that his parents didn't want him anymore...that they'd given him away.

Also, once a kid's been molested, his misplaced guilt for having participated might make him think no one would want him anymore.

I understand that the psychology of this sort of thing is entirely complex. And we all know how screwy the thinking of a kid can be.


55 posted on 01/15/2007 7:25:54 AM PST by bannie
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To: mel
I applaude the parents for bring the boys to the news conference. The boys did absolutely nothing wrong, nothing to hide.

I agree and thought the news conferences were well done. Apparently the thinking was, let the media get their pictures in the controlled environment of the news conference instead of stalking the families for pictures. It was stated very clearly by the father of Shawn that there would be another news conference "when the time was right", but in the meantime he also made it clear that they were not to be disturbed as they try to find out what happened and get Shawn accustomed to be back with his family.

56 posted on 01/15/2007 7:29:40 AM PST by CedarDave
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To: AppyPappy
I'm shocked to find gambling in this casino.

ha!

57 posted on 01/15/2007 7:29:55 AM PST by bannie
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Four plus years for one, four days for the second.


58 posted on 01/15/2007 7:30:22 AM PST by CedarDave
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To: jwparkerjr

Don't you think the cops know the difference between cached data and purposefully downloaded info. Let me repeat: I have never received child porn from any venue. If you want child porn, you have to hunt it down.


59 posted on 01/15/2007 7:32:23 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: RockinRight

exactly, i tried to do the same thing, but I think that it is highly possible I would have ended up just like Elizabeth Smart or Shawn Hornbeck.


60 posted on 01/15/2007 7:33:32 AM PST by Halls (My parents raised me RIGHT!)
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