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We can't surrender to the doves
LA Times ^ | 1/14/07 | Jonathan Chait

Posted on 01/14/2007 12:10:36 PM PST by bnelson44

Over-learning the lessons of the last war is a classic foreign policy blunder. Yet many liberals want to make the lessons of the Iraq debacle the central basis of American foreign policy…

But this is the flip side of the same impulse that got us into the current mess. Because the doves made so many bad predictions leading up to the Gulf War — remember the mass uprisings in the Arab world and tens of thousands of U.S. casualties? — many of us ignored warnings this time that proved more prescient.

There are many lessons to be absorbed from Iraq. We’d be foolish not to absorb them; only the most dense war supporter has come away from the experience unhumbled. But the failure of a criminally negligent administration to carry out a highly challenging rebuilding task in the most hostile part of the world does not teach us everything we need to know about the efficacy of military power.

Of course we’ll learn lessons from Iraq. I’m worried that we’ll learn too much.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antiwar; congress; democrats; doves; iraq; sds; surge; wot
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1 posted on 01/14/2007 12:10:40 PM PST by bnelson44
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To: bnelson44
"Anti-war liberals turned out to be right about Iraq,"

Did they?

Or, did they, along with the assistance of their willing accomplices in the lamestream media, including the L.A. Times, succeed in totally undermining the war effort and supporting our enemy?

Iraq is not lost. The Greater War on Terror, of which Iraq is but a battle, is not lost, yet.

In their BDS the left has sold out the country they claim to love, all for their goal of political power.

What they will not grasp until terrorism faces them directly is that terrorists hate them as much as they hate us.

2 posted on 01/14/2007 12:17:03 PM PST by DakotaRed
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To: bnelson44
We can't surrender to the doves

Having those idiots in power should be seen as nothing less than a battle cry for FReepers.
3 posted on 01/14/2007 12:21:34 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: bnelson44

What "Iraq debacle"?


4 posted on 01/14/2007 12:32:00 PM PST by HankReardon
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To: bnelson44

How war is waged has changed. Libs don't catch on to it. We could kill millions in an instant. Faster than the lip-suckin libs could react.


5 posted on 01/14/2007 12:41:31 PM PST by Waco
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To: bnelson44
I’m worried that we’ll learn too much.

Is it possible to learn too much about something? I think not and that this writer is stupid.

6 posted on 01/14/2007 12:47:06 PM PST by marvlus
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To: bnelson44

7 posted on 01/14/2007 12:59:30 PM PST by Gritty ("Hell's coming with us," epitomizes what the American political herd lacks in this war - A. Ramirez)
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To: All; DakotaRed; CBart95; CyberAnt

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Long ago...

Sen. TED KENNEDY led a post-WATERGATE Democrat Congress into cutting off all our funding for the then Free South Vietnamese people to fight for their own Freedom with against Soviet-backed Communist terrorist invaders from the North.


Handing them in the End:

Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education (SLAVE LABOR) Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts



What price now, Sen. TED KENNEDY, for the Free People of Iraq..?

12 Million suddenly missing purple Voting fingers..?

Now how could anybody possibly live with this reality rightfully placed squarely on his shoulders..?

Especially since Sen. TED KENNEDY has known better ever since his tour of a then Free South Vietnam at the very beginning of the Vietnam War:

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set1.htm (See 5th Photo down)




Signed:.."ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer
Veteran-1st Major Battles for Freedom of the Vietnam War 1965-66

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm

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8 posted on 01/14/2007 1:02:06 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

So many newcomers here have no clue at all about any of this. You are doing a marvelous service in merely bring truthful reminders of the horrors that may lie ahead if we lose our will and our courage to stand and deliver.

Keep up the good work.


9 posted on 01/14/2007 1:06:27 PM PST by CBart95
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To: marvlus

"Is it possible to learn too much about something? I think not and that this writer is stupid."

The author is being strategic (from his own, Democrat, point of view), and is not being stupid. It is possible to overgeneralize from a case or two and "learn" something that isn't really true. He is criticizing other Democrats who have "learned" that no use of US military power is ever legitimate or appropriate. They are the "Doves" that he thinks musn't win. That makes him a halfway ally of us, and a rare bird among Democrats. Even if he doesn't have his head on completely straight, he's better than a lot of them.


10 posted on 01/14/2007 1:14:00 PM PST by Stirner
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To: CBart95; All

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Thank you for your kindness, CBart95.

If only we returning Vietnam Veterans had had the CLARITY Tool of the Internet & http://www.Freerepublic.com to battle the U.S. Media's purposeful mis-reporting of our Fight for Freedom in Vietnam with long ago,

...a then Free South Vietnam might still be Free today..?

So we deeply appreciate having the opportunity to do all we can to make up the difference now:


'Many come out to show war support across land'

http://www.post-gazette.com/nation/20030324antiwar0324p7.asp

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11 posted on 01/14/2007 1:39:56 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: bnelson44

"But the failure of a criminally negligent administration to carry out a highly challenging rebuilding task in the most hostile part of the world does not teach us everything we need to know about the efficacy of military power."

I suppose the schools, hospitals, water and power facilities don't count.


12 posted on 01/14/2007 8:04:04 PM PST by benldguy
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To: bnelson44

More Leftist propaganda from the Left Angeles Slimes.

Wonder what they would have said to Thomas Edison after his fourth attempt at the light bulb. In the end, it took him 3000 experiments.


13 posted on 01/14/2007 8:20:51 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Too many morons, so little time.)
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