Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 14 January 2007

Various big media television networks ^ | 14 January 2007 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

[Alas Babylon!]

The Talk Shows

Sunday, January 14th, 2007

Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:

FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): Vice President Dick Cheney.

MEET THE PRESS (NBC): National security adviser Stephen Hadley; Sens. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., Joseph Lieberman, I-Conn., Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., and Chuck Hagel, R-Neb.

FACE THE NATION (CBS): Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Barack Obama, D-Ill.

THIS WEEK (ABC): National security adviser Stephen Hadley; Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa.; California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

LATE EDITION (CNN) : Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari; Sens. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., Carl Levin, D-Mich., and John Kerry, D-Mass.; Pakistani Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz; retired Gen. Richard Myers, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

[Txsleuth]

Lieberman is doing great on MTP....Kyl did well.

He said that if the dems don't think that putting more troops in will help...then why don't they call for bringing all home now.

Hagel just said the Iraqi will determine their fate..the people of the MIDDLE EAST will determine that fate.

I agree with Hagel...the people in the middle east WILL determine the fate if we leave...they will make a terrorist state out of Iraq!!!

[HawaiianGecko]

_hg

Good Lord. Senator Hagel is a blathering idiot. "Let's be clear about one thing Tim, no one in congress wants a collapse of Iraq."  All that said "The issue of more military involvement as the President proposes is not the appropriate course of action." ---snip--- " but a political solution is." 

What a freakin' moron. A political solution involves compromising with your opponent and giving him enough of what he wants to satisfy his desires.  Since the goal is an Iraq under the control of Iran, an avowed enemy pledged to eliminate both Israel and the United States... Just how many Americans do we have to allow them to kill for this political solution to be acceptable to Iran?

 

[Morgan in Denver]

Just because Democrats are rushing into the game does not mean we have to follow suit. Every Republican who gets into it now will be compared and questioned over everything President Bush does so there are good reasons to hold off this year.

My guess, and I've been wrong more times than I'd like, is our eventual candidate won't be known until late this year or next.

[snugs]

From what I understand though when first created the Senate was not a body people were elected to; that each individual State Legislator appointed representative to serve there. I am sure when this was the case there was far more discipline and they were more answerable to what they did and said otherwise they would be removed.

I can see fores and against both systems but one of my argument for the Parliamentary system would be that the public voted the government in on its manifesto not on individual people's points of view so they should be able to persue these policies for the full term of the government not be challenged on this after a few months. Goverment policies should be given a few years not weeks to suceed but unfortunately we live in a fast food enviroment and people are not prepared to give time to achieve goals.

If the government is not fulfilling those manifesto promises it is up to people who voted for their local MP in the party of power to put pressure on them to bring this up in the house or privately with Cabinet officials.

As I see it, often in the US system you have over 500 points of view and parties are just for convenience. The parties are used for campaign funds only and the individual does not even have to abide by the tenants that the party stands for once elected. To me this is wrong and something should be done about it.

I maintain if an elected official goes against his own party's policy/agenda he should be expelled from the party. I have even heard of US politicians campaigning for people in a different party I cannot see how that is in any way acceptable and if this happened in Britain you would be expelled from the party. Even an ordinary member of the party if found supporting a candidate of another party would be outed.

I think that the Senate confirmation hearings whilst in principle are a good idea have become a farce and again I have reservations as to whether the Senate should decide whether or not a President can appoint someone to a Cabinet position. Judges and other appointments I think the hearings are a good idea but a Cabinet official to me seems strange as these people are appointed at the pleasure of the President to carry out his policies. In private they may voice different opinions but should not and are unlikely to voice them publicly so what is the point of a Senate hearing.

I know many will flame me for this post especially being a Brit but I am not being deliberately critical of your system and saying mine is perfect because that is not the case.

Margret Thatcher in fact adopted Parliamentary Committees as a result of studying your system and these committees have greatly enhance our system.

I feel that lessons can be learned on both sides.

[jackv]

Yes, that one day trip where she went in with all the answers in advance is nothing more than using our fine troops as her props. What gives this hag the right to call herself an expert on the subject. She needs to answer to some of her husband's failed policies that got us into this mess. The witch. Never let this woman become CIC. Never.

[Morgan in Denver]

I still believe we have time. The Democrats are the ones who have to modify their image to voters, more than we do anyway.

[kabar]

There is a lot of historical revisionism when it comes to Vietnam. The problem with the POLITICAL solution in Vietnam was that the North Vietnamese violated the Paris Peace Accords and we did not respond to that violation. The last US combat troops left Vietnam in January 1973. The South Vietnamese fought valiantly and successfully on for almost two years until Congress pulled the rug out from under them by not providing the funding and essentially telling the North Vietnamese we would do nothing if they violated the accords.

We could walk away from Vietnam leaving millions of Vietnamese, Cambodian, and Laotian casualties at the hands of the Communists in our wake, but Iraq is not Vietnam. We are fighting AQ in Iraq, the same people who were responsible for 9/11 and previous attacks that killed thousands of Americans. We can't allow Iraq to be a safe harbor for AQ and allow this vital region to descend into turmoil. Our strategic national interests and the global economy are at stake.

[Carolinamom]

Try googling Senator Hagel/If You Want To Win An Election, Just Control The Voting Machines

[Txsleuth]

What is your opinion of your Governor, Owens??

[cake_crumb]

We pick apart every little thing Hillary says and hammer at the misleading statements, like her exaggerations about having seen the situation in Iraq deteriorate so badly in one lousy day and the lie about her visit to US troops in Iraq being canceled due to bad weather when in fact the weather was fine.

As for motherhood, faugh! Chelsea was raised by "a village" not by her mother.

That, after all, is what she and her party have done to the president from Day 1, only with her we wont's have to manufacture the lies and exaggerations.

[snugs]

I understand this and sometimes this is good but often it just leads to stalemate especially when you have as now a different party in control of the Congress and the White House.

The original intentions were good and I agree with them but unfortunately man corrupts power and IMHO this is what has happened and the original intentions of the founding fathers IMHO are not being carried out in the manner they envisioned.

[anita]

Terrorists don't understand talking, the mainstay of libs; they do understand killing. Preparation/anticipation for defeat guarantees defeat.

Well put, If you want to support the troops, then spare them the pity. Instead show them some respect and acknowledge their incredible work over the past four years. Lorie Byrd - Marine Corps veteran's wife (from Carolina).

[snugs]

It amazes me in 2 systems that often are fundamentally different how the same issues and policies and problems arise how we deal with them maybe different but in 2007 they are so similar it is eerie.

Whether it is because of the special relationship, more worldwide contact/travel/awareness I am not sure but the issues and problems seem more and more the same.

[Laverne]

Earlier this week, when I made my quarterly donation to FR, I made a donation to Team Libby also.

[Txsleuth]

You are right...and one major problem with a political solution is...you have to trust the people you are dealing with to keep their word.

Now, since the people involved on both side mostly adhere to a religion that advocates LYING in order to get what you need, politically.....then it is folly to depend on a political solution primarily...or even at all.

The Dems want the political solution to come first, by having all of these MEETINGS with Nutjob, Assad and others, which would accomplish nothing except reinforcing the idea that America would rather quit than fight..

[kabar]

He said that if the dems don't think that putting more troops in will help...then why don't they call for bringing all home now.

Exactly. As Kerry stated in his 1971 testimony before Congress, "How can you ask someone to be the last man to die for a mistake?" If the Dems and Hagel believe that victory is not possible, how can they logically support any futher military involvment and loss of US lives? They want it both ways. Their statements are destructive of US troop morale and give aid and comfort to the enemy.

[samantha]

#29, I believe you are dead on because Bayh is a Midwesterner that was elected Statewide numerous times in a Red State, comes from Ted Kennedy's good buddy's (Birch) loins, and is Fairly Young and attractive with very little ability to stand up to the Sea Hags (not just the Boxer, Hillary, Pelosi types) that run his Party. He will not even stand up to the limp wristed Fop's (dandies) like Christopher Dodd, Jon Cary, Harry Reid, Harkin, Schuckie Schumer, Dick Turbin, fill in the blank. These people are so yukky, I am glad I am not a Democrat anymore and would have to defend this crud.

[Morgan in Denver]

Amen! This is exactly the similarity and differences between Vietnam and Iraq. The Democrats do not understand the distinction.

[HawaiianGecko]

_hg

As an addendum, Good Lord. Senator Dodd is a blathering idiot too. "No one suggested pulling out quickly here."  Continuing... "this increase of 17,000 American troops is misguided."

 

I'm scratching my head here. The President changes his SecDef, changes the head of CentCom, changes the commander in charge of Iraq and wants to increase troop size in Iraq.  Dodd says we have lost, doesn't want to increase troop size and doesn't want to pull out.

 

I'm confused. Who is it that has the "stay the course" mentality?

 

[Morgan in Denver]

I was looking for the Hillary quote on "We are going to take what you have and give it to others who need it more."