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A DISPASSIONATE ASSESSMENT OF LIBERTARIANS BY RUSSELL KIRK
11 January 2007 | Vanity

Posted on 01/11/2007 4:15:39 PM PST by shrinkermd

I. INTRODUCTION:“Libertarians” and “conservatives” often duke it out on Free Republic. This usually occurs over the legalization of drugs but other social issues result in vitriolic debates as well

Russell Kirk in Chapter XI of his book, The Politics of Prudence, argues most libertarians are not conservatives. They are really radicals of the right. But before we can present Russell’s arguments we must first document what a “conservative” is.

Previously, I have summarized Kirk’s views as to conservativism by summarizing another chapter of this book, Ten Conservative Principles.

Human nature is such that few will have the time or interest to go back and review this lengthy essay. Fortunately in this present article , Kirk helps out by re-defining conservativism.

According to Kirk, the typical conservative believes in an enduring moral order. The conservative also believes the culture has developed over centuries. This culture and its customs, habits and institutions needs support and protection. The typical conservative also believes that politics means prudent actions. The conservative believes diversity is necessary—meaning tolerance of ability, social, economic and other differences. The conservative denies that an all encompassing ideology can radically change society for the better.

Conservatives hold private property in high esteem as having been culturally determined by trial and error. They see human nature as fatally flawed and prone to violence and fraud. The need for government is absolute if we are to have a decent society. Conservatives prefer a smaller, less intrusive government but they do see the need for it Government intervenes on human imperfections; it is needed because people are not perfect and there must be a restraint on out-of-control passions.

II. FIRST KIRK SAYS SOME NICE THINGS ABOUT LIBERTARIANS AND THEN TAKES THEM BACK: Kirk begins by noting that neither he nor F.A. Hayekwere “libertarians.” Actually Hayek also wrote a paper indicating he wasn’t a “conservative” either but he was probably referring to European conservativism; Hayek sometimes referred to himself as an “Old Whig” or a “Classic Liberal.” In any case both Kirk and Hayek were Edmund Burke aficionados. They both disliked simplistic libertarian ideology.

Kirk describes three things he likes about libertarians. Not surprisingly, the first thing Kirk mentions is many libertarians are actually closet conservatives or sometimes even conservatives to be. Many describe themselves as “libertarians” because of a dislike for the oppressive state. Others just want more rather than less liberty. A few self-described “libertarians” are actually classic liberals in the Hayek tradition.

Second, Kirk resonates to the libertarian views on “vainglorious foreign policy.” The libertarians like many conservatives do not believe in garrisoning foreign countries. Kirk is with them on this but issues a caveat with a Burke quote. “..combating an armed doctrine not merely a national adversary… In other words, our government must be prepared to defend itself against armed might.

Third, like conservatives, many libertarians support human sized institutions and are opposed to the cult of the colossal. Besides opposing political centralization both support local efforts including voluntary associations and charities.

Ayn Rand and Murray Rothbard were inadvertent recruiters for conservatives. Many of Kirk’s students came to him through “objectivism” and “libertarianism.”

Ayn Rand popularized “Objectivism” which holds all reality is objective and external: knowledge can only be based on observed objects and events. Murray Rothbard was an early member of her circle (1950s) but left for a variety of reasons. Alleged by some the falling out began when Rothbard married a woman of faith. In any case he wrote a scathing critiqueof Ayn Rand. Following this critique he went on to initiate and participate in what we now call libertarianism.

I see both Rand and Rothbard as having an underlying philosophy congruent with logical positivism. This philosophy asserts the primacy of observation in assessing truth and relies on factual observation and denies any place to spiritual or other metaphysical explanations. Kirk points out conservatives do not consider libertarians to be conservatives and surely libertarians usually do not see themselves as conservatives.

Kirk sees libertarians as radical doctrinaires, contemptuous of tradition, culture and faith. Of society’s old traditions and prescriptions they would retain only private property. Libertarians also seek an abstract liberty that has never existed. Contrary to the unlimited liberty theory of economics, the American economy is complex and requires government to enforce contracts and so forth. Government, then, is an economic necessity. Complete freedom from government of any kind would result in complete chaos.

Our Constitution was conceived and written by an aristocratic body who “sought a more perfect union.” They knew, like Dostoevsky, that “unlimited freedom ends with unlimited despotism.” Kirk sees libertarians arguments as humorless, intolerant, self-righteous, badly schooled and dull. A specific quote is:

”..The libertarians are rejected because they are metaphysically mad.Lunacy repels and political lunacy especially. I do not mean they are dangerous; nay, they are repellant merely. They do not endanger our country and our civilization, because they are few, and seem likely to become fewer…

What Kirk means by “metaphysically mad” is that libertarians refuse to consider any question not answerable by direct observation or science; no religion, no prime mover, nothing of a spiritual nature. As such they are “mad” ignoring common human emotions and experience.

Kirk feels the difference between conservativism and libertarianism is insurmountable. To buttress this view he goes on to list six reasons why.

III. SIX CONSPICUOUS DIFFERENCES BETWEEN LIBERTARIANS AND CONSERVATIVES:

First, Kirk asserts the big division in modern politics is not between totalitarians and those favoring democracy but rather between those who believe in a transcendental moral order and those who do not. Transcendental order includes religions and all those who believe there are transcendent sanctions for wrongful conduct. Libertarians admit to no transcendent order and neither do the objectivists. They are converts to dialectical materialism. Conservatives reject them totally on this principal alone.

Second, Order is needed in any workable society. Libertarians give precedence to an abstract liberty. Conservatives believe that freedom can only be found in a framework of social order; hence, that is why we have the Constitution of the United States.

Third, libertarians believe what holds society together is self-interest. Conservatives believe society is a community of souls, dead, living and unborn. We have a duty to each other much like Aristotle describes as friendship and Christians describe as love of neighbor. Note, that conservatives duty to the unborn need not include any religious conviction—a sufficient reason is the continuation of the culture and species.

Fourth, libertarians (like anarchists and Marxists) believe human nature is good and any deficiencies are the result of faulty social institutions. Conservatives believe otherwise; they believe that humans are capable of either good or evil. Conservatives believe we are imperfect; therefore, a perfect society is not possible. The alternative must be constant vigilance for violence, fraud and a thirst for power.

Fifth, Libertarians see the state as the great oppressor. Conservatives find the state as natural and necessary for civilized living. Kirk quotes Burke who said:

”…He who gave us nature to be perfected by our virtue, willed also the necessary means of its perfection—he willed the state—He willed its connection with the source and original archetype of all perfection.”

Conservatives see government as the final restraint on asocial passions. “The primary function of government is restraint and that is anathema to libertarians but an article of faith for conservatives.”(Kirk quote)

Conservatives see government’s chief functions are to repel foreign invaders and maintain domestic peace. We do need a government but a limited one will do.

Sixthand finally, the libertarian focuses on his own appetites and passions without any thought of the mystery and wonder of the world. The conservative thinks otherwise and the sees the common good as requiring duty, discipline, sacrifice and love. The conservative views libertarians as ”impious”in the ancient sense of the word; libertarians do not respect ancient cultural beliefs, customs and wisdom. They lack “piety” for those who lived before us.

What the doctrinaire libertarians offer is an ideology of universal selfishness. As flawed human beings we are already selfish enough; we need no exhortation to become selfish..

MY THOUGHTS:Some of Kirks statements make me wince. Especially so, since close to me is at least one objectivist. Regardless, Kirk’s critique of libertarianism is neither overdone nor demeaning. People with serious views are seldom wishy-washy. This is another great chapter in a great book. Anyone with curiosity and interest in “conservativism” simply must have it.


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To: betty boop
[ This "madness" was identified by the classical Greek philosophers (e.g., Heraclitus, Plato, Aristotle) as a pneumopathological disorder, a disease of the soul. Then again, a logical positivist has no use for "the soul"; as a "metaphysical" entity, they deny its reality in principle.... ]

The Soul(mind, emotion and will) is part of the spirit and even the Spirit.. Demanding the overt or covert attack against the Holy Spirit.. even the holy spirit.. As the TOE does quite nicely by some of those infected with this "madness"..

Because if "all we are" is flesh(soulish) "the spirit" is a 2nd reality.. When the opposite is true.. A pneumopathological disorder indeed.. a disease of the soul.. This planet is infectious with this disease.. Little wonder we "MUST be born again- Jesus"..

The flesh must be divided from the spirit to even know whom we are.. Jesus ministry was filled with examples(object lessons) of his own journey from others observations of him being flesh(at the beginning) and becoming Spirit.. When it was true all along.. He was a Spirit before he was born, during his ministry, and after his bodies death.. and still is a Spirit today..

An object lesson that "we all" can learn from..
What kind of a spirit are YOU?.. is the pregnant question..
Life on this planet is a "TEST" of what exactly kind of spirit are You..
Not how smart is your human brain.. and how faithful is your flesh..

For the flesh(your flesh) can do nothing without the spirit's approval..
A pneumopathological disorder indeed.. a death sentence..
UNless you are Reborn(born again) as a new creature..
Metaphysical Physics has only one formula.. quite simply really..

Any harder to comprehend and none would survive..

21 posted on 01/12/2007 10:33:26 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: betty boop

So very true! Thank you so much for the ping!


22 posted on 01/12/2007 11:45:08 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Philistone
Libertarians believe that at minimum, the state must protect its citizens and allow them to protect themselves. This involves both a police force and a judiciary for the adjucation of contract disputes.

Not all libertarians. The most famous libertarian, Rothbard, advocated anarchy as most consistent with the bedrock principle of libertarianism: non-initiation of force or fraud.

23 posted on 01/13/2007 7:56:36 PM PST by secretagent
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To: secretagent

I'm more a Nozick style libertarian than a Rothbardian. You are correct about Rothbard, but I believe that his recipe for "competing adjudication agencies" is simply a recipe for disaster.

I believe that a single judiciary is necessary, it should just have the absolute minimum amount of power necessary to do its job, and no power to create new laws or positive rights.


24 posted on 01/13/2007 10:32:20 PM PST by Philistone
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To: Philistone

I agree with you about needing a final judiciary.

Just wanted to point out that not all libertarians agree with us minarchists.


25 posted on 01/14/2007 8:25:33 AM PST by secretagent
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To: shrinkermd

Excellent thread bump!


26 posted on 01/14/2007 8:55:57 AM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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